@SC: That's what i'm talking about. And the reason why i said the avatars are important step towards friendcodes is because friendcode linked to your avatar would make multiple ID:s per console possible.

@steven: Well the way i was thinking is, that the friendcode would replace the gamertag. Avatar would be the screenname, which would show the gamerscore and achievements, while they would be linked to the friendcode.

By the way, i have question to 360 owners: If i need more than one gold account on one 360, do i need to pay for every account or just one?

^Pay for every account.

I would rather have the Gamertag, PSN ID's then a friggin number i would have to remember. That is the most stressful thing about the wii for me.

Ok I get it. bdbdbd, you really presented your position horribly until well into the second page. I do get what you're saying though, so let me explain it to everyone else, since you seem to be having trouble with it.

bdbdbd is not saying Nintendo's implementation of friend codes is superior to Xbox Live's Gamertag system. What he is saying is, it would be better if an Xbox 360 came installed with a numbered code that one could build Gamertags from instead of registering with Microsoft. Also however, bdbdbd remembers numbers better than names, and falsely assumed other people do too. On the contrary, most people are better at remembering name than numbers.

This is wrong though, and i'll tell you why bdbdbd. The reason you register with Microsoft for your account is so you can access it from multiple 360's. Say you were to sell your 360, you can still buy a new one and retrieve your information and pick up where you left off. With the Wii, if you sell it, you lose your friend code and need to start over if you rebuy, because it's built into the hardware. As far as I know, you also can't access your friend code from another Wii, but on Xbox 360(and PS3) you can. Nintendo is very anti-community with the Wii's online and it shows through statistics that were taken showing much higher adoption rates of 360's online than Wii's, even though the Wii has sold through more consoles and Xbox Live costs money.

@quarashi: Thanks. That sucks by the way. I think M$ could have more gold subscribers if you could have one payment for the whole family, id would add value to the gold account. Although, i don't have any facts, that how many consoles have more than one account.

@PapaSmurf: Yeah, the only code you need to remember is your own. How the friendcode system is implemented, isn't too good in most games, but an improved version would be a lot better.

@quarashi: Thanks. That sucks by the way. I think M$ could have more gold subscribers if you could have one payment for the whole family, id would add value to the gold account. Although, i don't have any facts, that how many consoles have more than one account.

@PapaSmurf: Yeah, the only code you need to remember is your own. How the friendcode system is implemented, isn't too good in most games, but an improved version would be a lot better.

@Oxymeth: Thank you. I apparently worded it badly.

Actually the friendcode isn't build-in, when you go online for the first time, you acquire it from Nintendos server. If we think game specific codes, you need only your save file transferred to another Wii and you can play online there (not the case with the Wii code though, but could be fixed).

Friendcodes suck. Don't even try to argue that Nintendo has a better online setup than Microsoft. Microsoft is leading online, with Sony right behind yet FREE, and Nintendo is definatly brining up the rear.

Friend codes are ass-backwards. Even Nintendo admits that they suck.

bdbdbd I get your point you don't have to address me specifically.

I'm just saying that would be ideal and in that case the difference between 1133-8712-7091 would be arbitrary to l33t_geek. What would the difference really be?

What if my friends had identical ID's

1133-8712-7061
and
1133-8712-7081

Then it becomes even more pointless as your using multiple tiers of identification, so which one would be the refference point and for whom.

The user just needs something simple like the Avatars in your idea, the UIC wold be in the back ground, I was just noting that in this case and you already pointed out FC's are UIC's except not in the back ground.

I'm not disagreeing with you one bit, on topic though, I'm not certain which would be better.