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outlawauron said:
Million said:
starcraft said:




WTF>> "The report, which surveyed 1000 people" << WTF

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15001.cfm

 

Blu-Ray is very much global , it sits on the shelves of retailers in pretty much every major economy in the world. A Sample size of 1000 people is pathetic , My college would be a bigger sample and that would still be neglible.

Yes, that is a really small survery size. I kinda skimmed over it.

 

Not really.  It's actually pretty standard sized.

 



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Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Million said:
starcraft said:




WTF>> "The report, which surveyed 1000 people" << WTF

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15001.cfm

 

Blu-Ray is very much global , it sits on the shelves of retailers in pretty much every major economy in the world. A Sample size of 1000 people is pathetic , My college would be a bigger sample and that would still be neglible.

Yes, that is a really small survery size. I kinda skimmed over it.

Not really.  It's actually pretty standard sized.

 

With only 5 or so million PS3s sold in America, and a population well over 300 million, a size of 1000 people is not too conclusive.



Well considering last month was the 1st time ALL major studios had Blu Ray releases and next month will be the 1st time that ALL major and ALL mini major studios will have Blu Ray releases and will all be on the same format and won't be confusing consumers, I say the adoption is going pretty good.



NJ5 said:
WiiStation360 said:
NJ5 said:
slimeattack said:
There are still skeptics who don't believe in Blu-ray adoption... Maybe look at the sales data. Blu-ray sales are up 300% from last year. Blu-ray players are selling better than DVD players at the same time point. Do you guys expect blu-ray to have negative sales?

Blu-Ray sales up 300% from what value? Percentages don't mean much when we're talking about small values.

Blu-ray players selling better than DVD players at the same time point - source for this?

 

 

Blu-ray has outpaced DVD adoption

So that article is based on the assumption that every PS3 owner uses the Blu-Ray functionality?

The last time I read something about Blu-Ray trends, the attach rate was really poor, so either there are many PS3 owners not using Blu-Ray, or they just bought one or two movies.

Here is a report saying total disc sales were at 11 million from 2006 to mid-2008:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1355

It's very hard to be impressed with 11 million movies sold in three years, even if that's just for one region.

 

Yep. Very hard to say this is a fair comparison. We still don't know how many people are buying PS3s for the BR as opposed to the games, while, for example, we know that when the PS2 debuted the Japanese market used it as a DVD player almost exclusively for a year. And to me there is a big difference between a person buying a game console that supports a given video format, versus a person who makes a conscious decision to support a format by buying a dedicated player.

 



De85 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
sparkit34 said:

I think people are have just become immune to this new pushed adoption policy by the market.

 

Which reminds me, I fully expect studios within a couple of years to start releasing the Blu-Ray version earlier than the DVD version, and then with some movies, to release exclusively on Blu-Ray.

 

This is not going to happen unless Sony pays for it to happen.  DVD sales generate huge amounts of revenue, and studios are not going to limit their potential market so some other company can enlarge theirs.  Given Sony's moneyhat policy don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.

Remember the studios pushed hard for the BR format (or HDDVD) so that they could "solve" the piracy problem they have with regular DVD. While the studios will continue to support DVD, I suspect most of them would like to see BR become the new default format sooner, rather than later, and won't be surprised to see them take steps to "nudge" the market in that direction.

 



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I look at it this way because I think it makes a hell of alot of sense as to why BD will eventually overtake DVD.

#1 - Prices will drop and be = to DVD player prices, we all know this.
#2 - Disc prices will drop and be = to DVD disc prices, we all know this.
#3 - No need to repurchase your DVD collection since BD players are DVD compatible.

So when people go into a store and see a BD player for $80 and a DVD player for $80 some of you actually think people will buy the DVD player? At the same time they see a new movie on DVD for $15 and the BD version for $15 they will once again buy the DVD version? This also doesn't include the fact of what will happen if and when studios decide to release on BD first or possibly... BD only in the future.

What about when new home theatre systems are released that include a BD player as opposed to DVD players, once again seeing as BD is DVD compatible.

Jeez.... can I borrow what some people are obviously smoking?

You guys can stand still if you wish. Only I think it makes no damn sense.

If my opinion is somehow seriously flawed, please let me know.



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Naraku_Diabolos said:
steven787 said:
superchunk said:
BOOOOOOOOO Bluray sucks!!!!!!!

ok, got that out of my system. This has absolutely nothing to do with Sony or the PS3.

If I had an HDTV, I still wouldn't be interested in a bluray player until they are less than $200 and the movies are at most a few dollars more than the DVD's.

Instead I would buy an $80 dvd player with hdmi out and upconverting tech. Essentially the same thing in my eyes and that of the mass consumer. As evidenced by this report.

In all honesty, I don't really care too much either except...

Planet Earth, it's just so gorgeous.  An upconverting DVD player doesn't do it.

One of the main reasons why I need to replace my PS3 is that Doc.

You're absolutely correct with that. See, the regular DVD collection of Planet Earth ONLY has 150 minutes of actual footage, with Blu-Ray containing a whopping 550 minutes of footage! That's the only reason I would get a PS3 for, besides playing PS2 games I never got a chance to own or fully finished (I mentioned it on another thread).

I have the DVD collection of Planet Earth. It has 5 discs, with 2-3 episodes per disc, about 50 minutes per episode. Math tells me there's more than 500 minutes of footage (and what's "actual" footage anyway?).

 



DMeisterJ said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Million said:
starcraft said:




WTF>> "The report, which surveyed 1000 people" << WTF

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15001.cfm

 

Blu-Ray is very much global , it sits on the shelves of retailers in pretty much every major economy in the world. A Sample size of 1000 people is pathetic , My college would be a bigger sample and that would still be neglible.

Yes, that is a really small survery size. I kinda skimmed over it.

Not really. It's actually pretty standard sized.

 

With only 5 or so million PS3s sold in America, and a population well over 300 million, a size of 1000 people is not too conclusive.

It is if it's a representative sample.

 



misterd said:
De85 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
sparkit34 said:

I think people are have just become immune to this new pushed adoption policy by the market.

 

Which reminds me, I fully expect studios within a couple of years to start releasing the Blu-Ray version earlier than the DVD version, and then with some movies, to release exclusively on Blu-Ray.

 

This is not going to happen unless Sony pays for it to happen. DVD sales generate huge amounts of revenue, and studios are not going to limit their potential market so some other company can enlarge theirs. Given Sony's moneyhat policy don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.

Remember the studios pushed hard for the BR format (or HDDVD) so that they could "solve" the piracy problem they have with regular DVD. While the studios will continue to support DVD, I suspect most of them would like to see BR become the new default format sooner, rather than later, and won't be surprised to see them take steps to "nudge" the market in that direction.

 

That and from what i've heard Blu-ray royalties are lower then DVD Royalties as everyone got their asses handed to them on what DVD charged for DVD royalties.

 



Euphoria14 said:

#3 - No need to repurchase your DVD collection since BD players are DVD compatible.

And that's one of the problems that BR will face that DVD didn't. Most people owned very few movies on VHS (unless they recorded them off TV). Since DVDs were often cheap, people bought bunches of them and have built up a big library. But where the DVD question was "do I want to own this movie", the question for BR will be "do I want to buy this movie again".

I can say that I will not be upgrading the vast majority of my DVD collection. And even if they come out with, say, Jaws on BR tomorrow, I might not buy it. OK, I probably won't buy it because I don't have a BR player - but I will by the end of the month, and at that time I still wouldn't buy it. Why not? Because I, like so many others, got burned repeatedly by studios double, triple and quadruple dipping their movies on DVD, we just know they will do it again on BR.

These two factors alone are going to surpress the sales of BR discs considerably as compared to DVD.