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PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:

 

 

if you commited a crime, you would want to live would you not, that should be enough answer for anyone

 

It's not about the killer! They lost their right to decide something like that the second they took someone else's life and all the decisions that come with it. I wouldn't commit murder. Especially not a gang rape and murder like this guy.

We're not talking about executing a guy for stealing power tools here. Murder. Slightly different in my book.

 

 

how is the governements killing him any different to him killing people? theyre both murder, theyre both wrong, two wrongs do not make a right, also does killing him bring his victims back to life?

But that wasn't my question.

My question was this:

How does supporting this man with our tax dollars and the tax dollars of these families qualify as justice?

 

 

because putting him in jail is still justice, he is being kept away from society so he cant harm anyone else

 

And these families supporting this man for the rest of his life is?



 

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cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:

 

 

if you commited a crime, you would want to live would you not, that should be enough answer for anyone

 

It's not about the killer! They lost their right to decide something like that the second they took someone else's life and all the decisions that come with it. I wouldn't commit murder. Especially not a gang rape and murder like this guy.

We're not talking about executing a guy for stealing power tools here. Murder. Slightly different in my book.

 

 

how is the governements killing him any different to him killing people? theyre both murder, theyre both wrong, two wrongs do not make a right, also does killing him bring his victims back to life?

But that wasn't my question.

My question was this:

How does supporting this man with our tax dollars and the tax dollars of these families qualify as justice?

 

 

because putting him in jail is still justice, he is being kept away from society so he cant harm anyone else

 

And these families supporting this man for the rest of his life is?

 

like i just said its justice, theyre paying to keep him away from society so he can do no more harm to anyone



A lot of prejudice against child rapists in this thread. It's comments made by people like those here that prevents the justice system from being truly objective and unaffected by petty emotional responses.



PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:

 

 

if you commited a crime, you would want to live would you not, that should be enough answer for anyone

 

It's not about the killer! They lost their right to decide something like that the second they took someone else's life and all the decisions that come with it. I wouldn't commit murder. Especially not a gang rape and murder like this guy.

We're not talking about executing a guy for stealing power tools here. Murder. Slightly different in my book.

 

 

how is the governements killing him any different to him killing people? theyre both murder, theyre both wrong, two wrongs do not make a right, also does killing him bring his victims back to life?

But that wasn't my question.

My question was this:

How does supporting this man with our tax dollars and the tax dollars of these families qualify as justice?

 

 

because putting him in jail is still justice, he is being kept away from society so he cant harm anyone else

 

And these families supporting this man for the rest of his life is?

 

like i just said its justice, theyre paying to keep him away from society so he can do no more harm to anyone

I tell you what, let's say Jack here kills your family, or my family for that matter. Do you want to pay your money so this man may live?

If I killed a man, I wouldn't want to live. I forfeited my ability to choose to live the second I killed him. Yes I'd probably be remorseful for what I did, but I would deserve to die if I ever killed a man. Saying "I'm sorry for gang raping and brutally murdering your daughters" doesn't make things right.

If you're not remorseful, that's even worse. What we have here is called "social justice". I agree with the majority on this particular issue.

Edited for spelling

 



 

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cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:

 

 

if you commited a crime, you would want to live would you not, that should be enough answer for anyone

 

It's not about the killer! They lost their right to decide something like that the second they took someone else's life and all the decisions that come with it. I wouldn't commit murder. Especially not a gang rape and murder like this guy.

We're not talking about executing a guy for stealing power tools here. Murder. Slightly different in my book.

 

 

how is the governements killing him any different to him killing people? theyre both murder, theyre both wrong, two wrongs do not make a right, also does killing him bring his victims back to life?

But that wasn't my question.

My question was this:

How does supporting this man with our tax dollars and the tax dollars of these families qualify as justice?

 

 

because putting him in jail is still justice, he is being kept away from society so he cant harm anyone else

 

And these families supporting this man for the rest of his life is?

 

like i just said its justice, theyre paying to keep him away from society so he can do no more harm to anyone

I tell you what, let's say Jack here kills you family, or my family for that matter. Do you want to pay your money so this man may live?

If I killed a man, I wouldn't want to live. I forfeited my ability to choose to live the second I killed him. Yes I'd probably be remorseful for what I did, but I would deserve to die if I ever killed a man. Saying "I'm sorry for gang raping and brutally murdering your daughters" doesn't make things right.

If you're not remorseful, that's even worse. What we have here is called "social justice". I agree with the majority on this particular issue.

 

if he killed me or my family, then i would expect him to go to jail for the rest of his life so he cant hurt anyone else, nothing more, nothing less, as for what would happen if i killed someone, the answer is i would deserve to be put in jail for life, so i cant hurt anyone else

 



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PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
cdude1034 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:

 

how is the governements killing him any different to him killing people? theyre both murder, theyre both wrong, two wrongs do not make a right, also does killing him bring his victims back to life?

But that wasn't my question.

My question was this:

How does supporting this man with our tax dollars and the tax dollars of these families qualify as justice?

 

 

because putting him in jail is still justice, he is being kept away from society so he cant harm anyone else

 

And these families supporting this man for the rest of his life is?

 

like i just said its justice, theyre paying to keep him away from society so he can do no more harm to anyone

I tell you what, let's say Jack here kills you family, or my family for that matter. Do you want to pay your money so this man may live?

If I killed a man, I wouldn't want to live. I forfeited my ability to choose to live the second I killed him. Yes I'd probably be remorseful for what I did, but I would deserve to die if I ever killed a man. Saying "I'm sorry for gang raping and brutally murdering your daughters" doesn't make things right.

If you're not remorseful, that's even worse. What we have here is called "social justice". I agree with the majority on this particular issue.

 

if he killed me or my family, then i would expect him to go to jail for the rest of his life so he cant hurt anyone else, nothing more, nothing less, as for what would happen if i killed someone, the answer is i would deserve to be put in jail for life, so i cant hurt anyone else

 

Then sir, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Thanks for the conversation and not devolving into calling me names. +1 for PS360ForTheWin in my book.

 



 

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konnichiwa said:
MrBubbles said:
Rath said:


Mind you I think Texas is the most fucked up state for executions in the United States and is no better than say, China, in its record of executions.

 

one kills criminals...one kills people they dont like(like teenagers that want democracy...who didnt even recieve a trial). 

 

  ....now that i say it out loud...i can really see what you mean.

 

Then why do I still live and why do my gf still live?

 

are you suggesting they havent and dont do that?



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cdude1034 said:

Just to be clear, you're willing to spend your tax dollars (more likely your parents) to help feed and clothe this man for the rest of his life because he murdered somebody?

I'm sorry, even if you are "sick" even if there is something wrong with you, once a killer, always a killer. Where is the justice in either A) Letting this man walk the streets again or B) Supporting him for the rest of his life in prison?

Where's your sense of morality there?

Edit: Oh, you're from New Zealand according to your profile. I think that takes away from your position.

 

Is that because New Zealanders have no morals or because New Zealanders are all hippies? If it's the second one then thats a pretty awesome stereotype.

Anyway, economically it costs a lot more to execute somebody in the USA than to support them for the rest of their natural life - that much is simply not arguable under the current system.

"Once a killer always a killer" is a fallicy and something that you made up with no scientific evidence, the only statistic I can find for the united states is that 1.2% of people convicted of homicide re-offend within three years of release - that is a fairly small number and certainly doesn't support your theory.

I do not believe that anybody or any organization has the right to take a human life unless it is in clear self defence, defence of another or defence of your country.



MrBubbles said:
konnichiwa said:
MrBubbles said:
Rath said:


Mind you I think Texas is the most fucked up state for executions in the United States and is no better than say, China, in its record of executions.

 

one kills criminals...one kills people they dont like(like teenagers that want democracy...who didnt even recieve a trial). 

 

  ....now that i say it out loud...i can really see what you mean.

 

Then why do I still live and why do my gf still live?

 

are you suggesting they havent and dont do that?

 

They did it but now?  You don't get the death sentence if you go to the tiananmen and protest for democracy. Damned then I must have lost a lot of friends.






I have no issues with that, he murders innocent people. The US prison system is already overflowing with criminals who have done crimes that arent even half as bad as murder so frankly having one less person for the US government to pay thousands of dollars to house is a good thing.



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