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talkingparrot on 01 August 2008

I think alot of people play the damage control game. Its a choice people have to make when buying consoles:

1. Do I buy the 360 and forgo PS3 exclusives which will have premiere graphics?

2. Do I buy a PS3 and settle for *possibly* visually inferior multiplat titles?



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skorp on 01 August 2008

So far the games on the PS3 have been as much as similar too x360's appearance (and/or gameplay). No wonder those games like MGS4 take so much time and investment just to make. Now it sort of makes sense that develpoers mention that they need to make x amount of money just to break even and so on....



talkingparrot on 01 August 2008
skorp said:
So far the games on the PS3 have been as much as similar too x360's appearance (and/or gameplay). No wonder those games like MGS4 take so much time and investment just to make. Now it sort of makes sense that develpoers mention that they need to make x amount of money just to break even and so on....

 

I don't think so.  I mean if you look at games like Uncharted, Ratchet, and MGS4.  You'll see that an advantage exists.  Sony is constantly revising developer tools.  So far, most developers will agree, that over the last two years, Sony has made great strides in providing developers with better tools.  Hopefully one day it will bridge that gap. 

 

However, are the tools as good as the xbox 360 tools? no.



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KatinJin on 01 August 2008
skorp said:
So far the games on the PS3 have been as much as similar too x360's appearance (and/or gameplay). No wonder those games like MGS4 take so much time and investment just to make. Now it sort of makes sense that develpoers mention that they need to make x amount of money just to break even and so on....

 

 Aye



Rock_on_2008 on 01 August 2008

Truth. PS3 has superior exclusive games. Multi-platform titles are identical on both PS3 and X360. / thread.



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sieanr on 01 August 2008
talkingparrot said:
makingmusic476 said:
talkingparrot said:
One of the biggest hurdles for Playstation 3 is multicore architecture. Which incidentally is the future. Expect the next Xbox to use a multicore architecture as well. The same headaches and pains the PS3 has, will be on the next gen of consoles. The PS3 for all intents and purposes for its hardships, is still, forward thinking.

The 360 uses a multicore architecture as well.  It's just 3 symmeric CPUs vs a PPU and several SPEs

Of course, PCs are already using 4 cores.

 

 

This is true, but I figure developer's will have a real pain in the ass once they realize they can't shortcut their way around.  The PS3 was developed for the graphic card and the cell to be used together.  Unfortunately, most devs just use the graphic card.

You really dont understand what you are talking about.

 



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NJ5 on 01 August 2008
sieanr said:
talkingparrot said:
makingmusic476 said:
talkingparrot said:
One of the biggest hurdles for Playstation 3 is multicore architecture. Which incidentally is the future. Expect the next Xbox to use a multicore architecture as well. The same headaches and pains the PS3 has, will be on the next gen of consoles. The PS3 for all intents and purposes for its hardships, is still, forward thinking.

The 360 uses a multicore architecture as well. It's just 3 symmeric CPUs vs a PPU and several SPEs

Of course, PCs are already using 4 cores.

 

 

This is true, but I figure developer's will have a real pain in the ass once they realize they can't shortcut their way around. The PS3 was developed for the graphic card and the cell to be used together. Unfortunately, most devs just use the graphic card.

You really dont understand what you are talking about.

 

You're right, his nickname is slightly misleading. A parrot would do slightly better than that :P

j/k

 



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TheBigFatJ on 01 August 2008
ChichiriMuyo said:
So, what he's really saying is that it's easier to make games on the 360, it just has a whole mess of shortcommings and encourages developers to release sub-par versions of their games? Really, don't tell me that the 360 is the better machine, Mr. Carmack, while telling me at the same time that your games will not be superior on that machine.

 

Ease of development is absolutely critical. This is *extremely* important for developers, because if something is harder to do well, it won't be done as well overall.

Secondly, the 360 has significant technical advantages -- more fill rate, more general purpose CPU power, more flexible memory -- stuff that devs like.

John Carmack is arguably the best technical programmer in the world today. When he says something it is always worth listening.

Is the 360 a smarter piece of hardware than the PS3?  Clearly.  Is it lower quality overall?  Clearly.  If it wasn't for the quality issues and the PS3 storage advantage, there would be literally now games advantage to the PS3 at all.  And having more storage is a pittance compared to having more fill rate and more CPU power for devs.



KatinJin on 01 August 2008

Ease of development is absolutely critical. So true.



obieslut on 01 August 2008

well the ps3 clearly has the better hardware but the 360 is easier to program for, that is all