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Kenology on 28 July 2008
makingmusic476 said:
Kenology said:
Bodhesatva said:

In terms of variety and "hardcore" gamer appeal, Sony wins, though. Over Microsoft obviously (their first party is Halo and Gears of War), but over Nintendo too, I think.

No.

I don't know how you measure "'hardcore' gamer appeal" but I think Nintendo has the biggest variety of internal games by genre.

Action/Adventure, ARPG, SRPG, JRPG, 3D-platformer, Racing, Racing Sim, Fighting, 2D-platformer, puzzle, Strategy, Shooters, etc.

Nintendo has hardcore franchises that covers virtually any and every genre. Some people may really love Sony and that's fine, but no other 1st party developer has the talent and skill of Nintendo's in-house development teams - nor as consistent an output of undisputeable quality.

 

Nintendo has a racing sim? Like Gran Turismo or Forza? What?

And I can't think of any shooters outside of Metroid (and I would consider it more of an adventure title than a shooter).

And they have one Super Mario per gen, but not much else in terms of 3d platformers since Rare left. Last gen they had SMS, SF Adventures, and Wario World, one of which was developed by the now absent Rare. In comparison, last gen Sony had at least 12 platformers between it's various 1st and 2nd party studios. They had Jak 1-3, Ratchet & Clank 1-4, Sly Cooper 1-3, and a few Ape Escape games. Granted, SMS was superior than all of these 1 on 1, but they were all great games in their own right, and combined created a great line up of games to play.

It really annoys me how people tend to lowball Sony's first party. Nintendo's is awesome, we know that, but Sony's is excellent as well.

I don't know why this is... but when people think of a Racing Sim, they always think of cars.

Waverace 64 is a racing sim. I'd say 1080 Snowboarding is a racing sim too, but snowboarding games tend to be branched off into extreme sports irregardless of how realistic they are. Both were developed by Nintendo (EAD).

As for shooters, I really mean shooters, not FPS, but just plain 'ol shooters... Starfox is a shooter, though it was co-developed by Argonaut. Starfox 64 is a shooter and it was developed 100% internally.

The orange in your post is speaking of quantity. I'm speaking about quality... there's a huge difference. And a lot of the games you mentioned aren't even internally developed by Sony. I'll let you get away with Naughy Dog's Jak series, Insomniac's Rachet & Clank series, and Sucker Punch's Sly Cooper... but the only true Sony 1st party game you mentioned was Ape Escape.



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HappySqurriel on 28 July 2008
bouzane said:
@Kenology

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm sickened by the fact that Nintendo stopped making new core games after Pikmen, Metroid Prime and Advance Wars hit the market. Now their game development seems to be entirely casual gaming or sequels to core games. My point is that there are no new core games and I don't understand how core gamers can be satisfied by that. How do I need to know more than everybody else to make more than baseless assumptions? I'm hardly the only person who thinks that Nintendo's core offerings for the rest of this console generation will be little more than sequels.

 

Name 10 casual games Nintendo is currently developing? If they've abandoned the core market to focus on Casual games this should be an easy task for you



Hus on 28 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:

 

Name 10 casual games Nintendo is currently developing? If they've abandoned the core market to focus on Casual games this should be an easy task for you

do they even have the dev capabilty to work on so many games at once.

how many dev studios do they have ?

 



bouzane on 28 July 2008

HappySqurriel said:
bouzane said:

 

I don't share your opinion and that means that I did not play the games that I listed? I hate to burst your bubble but I have in fact played these titles. I don't blame reviewers for the low scores, I blame the second rate games. Mario Kart 64 has wide tracks making most of the game far too easy, Luigi's Mansion and Battalion Wars were average at best and Kirby's Air Ride was horrible, one of the worst games I have ever played. I remember when my friend brought over Air Ride and all it resulted in was confusion and disappointment, even if I did understand the sections between the racing segments I would hardly care. I think many critics are far too easy on Nintendo, some of the critical acclaim simply puzzles me.

Its not that you don't share my opinion, its that you're amazingly anti-Nintendo and post comments which sound similar to the types of comments someone makes about a game after playing them for 5 minutes or from reading someone else's complaints online.

Regardless, suppose you have played those games ... You listed a handful of games over 3 generations of consoles, not really that representitive of a company that has released hundreds of games on 9 platforms.

Does the fact that Lair, Genji Days of the Blade, Untold Legends Dark Kingdom, and NBA 07/08 were all crap mean that Sony is an awful and over-rated publisher that doesn't deserve the critical acclaim it receives?

 

Sorry but I hated Kirby Air Ride and Mario Kart 64 as well as many other Nintendo titles. I find it funny how if any insult is made against Nintendo, droves of Nintendo fans defend even the weakest of Nintendo's releases. I can't fathom how there are so many people spending time defending such games while so many gems go totally ignored. At what point did I insinuate that Sony did not make mediocre games? At what point did I say that Nintendo does not make good games? My point is that Nintendo has made some fairly lousy games and they almost exclusively release sequels and when they release something new, it's for the casual market. BTW, Genji and Lair were not developed by Sony.



masterb8tr on 28 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
bouzane said:
@Kenology

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm sickened by the fact that Nintendo stopped making new core games after Pikmen, Metroid Prime and Advance Wars hit the market. Now their game development seems to be entirely casual gaming or sequels to core games. My point is that there are no new core games and I don't understand how core gamers can be satisfied by that. How do I need to know more than everybody else to make more than baseless assumptions? I'm hardly the only person who thinks that Nintendo's core offerings for the rest of this console generation will be little more than sequels.

 

Name 10 casual games Nintendo is currently developing? If they've abandoned the core market to focus on Casual games this should be an easy task for you

 

its probably harder to mention 10 non casual games.



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HappySqurriel on 28 July 2008
Hus said:
HappySqurriel said:

 

Name 10 casual games Nintendo is currently developing? If they've abandoned the core market to focus on Casual games this should be an easy task for you

do they even have the dev capabilty to work on so many games at once.

how many dev studios do they have ?

 

Between first and second party developers, Nintendo has (roughly) 20 independant development teams who can each work on 1 or more Wii titles and 1 or more Nintendo DS titles at a time.

 



FJ-Warez on 28 July 2008
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
FJ-Warez said:
"Rivals can’t compete with PS3’s exclusives... thats why they pay for them... and we need to get back to the CGI trailers all over again... and no, I don´t want to talk about the FF issue..."

 

Bolded parts are true.

EDIT: and apply only to MS, not Nintendo, obviously.

Yeah, because Sony never gave money to keep an exclusive...

Still, funny thing is that after FF announcement, they got back to the CGIs with GoW3 and MAG...

 



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Pete_Beast on 28 July 2008

He's just advertizing his console and games. It's nothing out of the ordinary, why all the hate?



Kenology on 28 July 2008
bouzane said:
@Kenology

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm sickened by the fact that Nintendo stopped making new core games after Pikmen, Metroid Prime and Advance Wars hit the market. Now their game development seems to be entirely casual gaming or sequels to core games. My point is that there are no new core games and I don't understand how core gamers can be satisfied by that. How do I need to know more than everybody else to make more than baseless assumptions? I'm hardly the only person who thinks that Nintendo's core offerings for the rest of this console generation will be little more than sequels.

Now you're changing up your argument. In the first post that I responded to, your argument was 1). "Nintendo is only making sequels and casual games", now you're switchin' it up and saying 2). "Nintendo hasn't made any new core franchises after Pikmin, BW, and Prime and their core offerings will only be sequels to their existing franchises".

Which one is it!?

And I'll even bite on your second (entirely new) argument... Why is it bad that Nintendo's core offerings won't be more than sequels? I don't see this same criticism levied at Sony for Resistence 2, Killzone 2, or God of War III... why not?

 



Hus on 28 July 2008
Pete_Beast said:
He's just advertizing his console and games. It's nothing out of the ordinary, why all the hate?

Dude.

what site is this.