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LOL MATURE on 24 July 2008
exindguy said:
LOL MATURE said:
exindguy said:

Um, the OP and the thread title (and most of the posts here) are specifically about the alleged laughter and whether Ryan did or whether Mattick made the whole thing up...right?

Yes. So why would someone express their dissapointment with a decision immediatly and then laugh about it later like it was no big deal and then say "no we never laughed we always thought it was shady"

What I'm saying is Bungie always stated their feelings and stuck by them. Then Mattrick said they laughed about it.

You expect me to believe Bungie is playing damage control?

 

Yes, based on the information in the Eurogamer article I do.

Here's what Mattrick said at E3:

"[Ryan] just laughed and he said, 'Boy, just a sign of growth inside the business, we agree'."

And here's what Ryan said to Eurogamer:

"Bungie is always concerned first and foremost with our fans. Whenever we are prevented from exceeding their positive expectations it is not a laughing matter." 

Nowhere does he state that "I didn't laugh"--he doesn't even address the comment by Mattrick directly--he just goes on to say that it's "no laughing matter." Which, based on the response by Halo fandom, it certainly wasn't.

Now, you can believe what you want about Bungie and how much they only have the best interests of their fans at heart (which is likely true), but I have a bit of a hard time getting, from these exchanges, that Mattrick has somehow been proven a liar or that he's even worse than originally suspected which means that, if he isn't a liar, that Ryan did, indeed, laugh and is, indeed, performing some damage control.

You need to get your eyes checked then

Bungie president Harold Ryan has denied "laughing" when Xbox boss Don Mattrick told him that the studio's latest Halo product would not be shown at E3.

Harold just didn't say one thing that was just what quote the journalist decided to put in. However, the journalist still reported that he denied laughing.

I have 2 choices. A. Believe someone who is talking for someone else who seems shady or B. believe the guy speaking for himself who has shown the same dissapointment since the incident

Also MS is now playing damage control

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=35188&start=0



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obieslut on 24 July 2008
JaggedSac said:
obieslut said:
if Microsoft keeps treating them like this then i can see then creating a ps3 game.

I mean sony pulled back the release f one of ther own games to keep Killzone 2 from competing with insomniacs Resistance 2.

 

M$ is exclusive publisher at this point.

yes but microsoft do not own Bungie. if bungie wanted they could create a game for the PS3 just like how Insomniac could create a game for the 360.

 

I am not saying it is going to happen but if microsoft is going to keep treating them like this then why should they make games for just that one console thats the point i am trying to make.

 



exindguy on 24 July 2008

The crux of this argument is that if Ryan didn't laugh then Merrick is a liar, full stop. Regardless of what Ryan says he said, I have a very difficult time believing that Merrick made up the exchange out of whole cloth on the spot (about Ryan laughing the whole situation off, so we're clear) when he could have said he didn't know or that he said nothing or that he was busy juggling.

Further, your link has nothing to do with the specific situation we're discussing. I personally don't give a rip about Halo or this entire spectacle about showing or not showing this or any other title based on the IP--what I do care about is someone having their reputation impugned because the fans decided that since the guy they like denied it then that's that, end of discussion, the other guy's full of shit because it fits neatly into the meme that's been constructed about the guy because he made the grave mistake of holding back showing off a bloody video game.

I'll ask again: does it make sense that Mattrick made up, out of whole cloth, that Ryan laughed and brushed off the entire exchange? Based on the evidence at hand, a dash of common sense and referencing Occam's razor, I'd say no, it doesn't make any sense for the guy to do that when there was almost nothing to be gained by it and, going by this thread, a lot to lose.

YMMV.




Tigawoods on 24 July 2008

I can understand why Bungie would be POed (hell as a Halo fan I was) but I think MS is just trying to do Halo justice. And besides what is Merrick going to say to us? "Yea Bungie was really pissed off but too bad it's our IP." It's PR ppl you can call him a liar and whatnot but it just that old saying of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. IMO tho big name Franchise like MGS, Zelda, and Halo deserve something more than a buzzless E3. Three years ago E3 would have been a great place to unveil new big titles, now its just bleh.



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FaRmLaNd on 24 July 2008

It would have been a mistake for Microsoft and Bungie to announce the game at his years e3 due to all the hype and controversy over FF13 going multi-platform. The new game should be announced at a time when it can get all the spotlight.



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heruamon on 25 July 2008

This is some school girl drama $hit...gimme a freaking break. Fans of Halo series aren't going anywhere, and bungie is a developer, so if the client wants to wait...duh...Has the delay of presenting Halo delayed the game's release? Please...Bungie has flexibility to develop what they want now....but Halo is the Premiere product on Xbox consoles...it is the Face of Xbox. Imho, it deserves center stage, not lumped with everything else.



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