I think the borders should stay as is to constantly remind the Arab nations what happens when they fuck with Israel. People constantly play up many of these Arab countries to be more noble than they are. They are doing nothing more than preying on the common decency of those who think that they are the wounded victims of the evil West. They only respect power and the willingness to use it.

I give this thread a 9.8.

So, even though Israel is has done as much if not arguably more wrong in this entire conflict that stems from the early 1900's, only the Arabs should be penalized since they have less weaponary. Yep, that sounds justified. In that case can we make Iraq the 51st state so we can have a lot of nearly free oil?

thats complete BS and you know it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Somebody should shut all of Israel down and turn it into a giant museum.

Let anybody come in and worship and/or see all the amazing exhibits that only a couple millennia of the world's 3 major monotheistic religions can offer.

Charge an arm and a leg for it.

Use the profits for amazing housing and security.

Only to those of you who have never really taken a full history of the conflict. However, you and I have argued this topic previously and it won't change the outcome to go over it agian.

the holy city, the city fought over for thousands of years. Can we just give it back to the Muslims or whoever won the final crusade?

It won't change because you ignore facts and have a clear bias against Israel and the jewish people that live in that country.

What "facts" have I ignored? Bias? Have I said Israel shouldn't exist? Have I said Arabs have done no wrong? Have I said Arabs shouldn't make any more sacrifices? hmmm. Please, quote me where I obviously showed bias or ignored facts.

Right or wrong, Israel was given to the Jews.  It can't be undone.  They fight to defend themselves.  Most of the Arab countries have directly or indirectly attacked Israel.  Even after the Six Days War and the Yom Kippur war the Arab nations (or Muslim nations since they are not all Arabs) sponsored terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.  People like Arafat were not interested in taking steps to create any sort of Palestinian state or even creating a climate where Palestinians could have even taken part in the Israeli democracy.  They wanted to kill Israelies in the insane hope that they could bus bomb Israel into just disolving.  The Palestinians got fucked, but the Arab nations never really liked them, it just turns out that they hated Israel more than the Palestinians.  So they give the Palestinians some money but they certianly didn't want any of the refugees.  Most of the Middle-Eastern nations detest each other.  There isn't one big great happy Muslim fellowship going on.

As for the policy towards the Middle-East, the west and east just want to bleed the whole area dry of oil until no one has to care what goes on there anymore.  I agree with this policy.  Some Middle-Eastern countries have figured out they need to invest in the future, some haven't.  I figure that once the oil isn't a point of contention anymore, the whole area will become a lot more polite.

I give that post a 9.3.

The U.S can think whatever they want jerusalem is the capital of israel.