It didn't have to be a woman or even a man. It could've been a big fat monster or alien or cow or mummy or zombie or robot or tractor or a big loaf of bread.

THEY CHOSE A FATTY 'CUZ THEY HATE FATTIES.

yversen, fatmen are generally portrayed as helpless idiots on TV.

There are plenty of preexisting traits, stigmas, archetypes, and ways of perceiving in human culture.

The thing is TV is a business, like video games. They make things for people to consume. Those products are positioned using cultural and psychological cues that make people comfortable and compound those parts our culture.

You don't like it, don't buy it or watch it.\

You can use the argument (1) "I can't control what my kids watch when..." or (2) "But society..."
(1) If you raise your kids right, then they can watch a TV show and not take it as god's honest truth.
(2) Worry about your own first. It's just the way it is. Do you really want society to tell you how to raise your kids?

If the kids are really that affected by TV and games, there are larger problems.

These people fight so hard to abolish normal human condition that many people lose sight of the fundamentals. Self respect comes from family and community not TV. We've become so over protective and "politically correct" that some children have no preception of what are realistic and appropriate differentiations.

It leads to all this extremist talk. Love or hate, right and wrong. There are a lot of things in between. Children are taught that every thing is so wrong, that every thing they do has to be secret and they have to feel ashamed.

They have no concept of the real world or how to socialize. All they know is pop-culture and sex.Go do some activities or volunteer with your kids. Turn off the TV and (don't ever mention this outside of this thread) turn off the video games.

In the time she took to write that and manage her trolls she probably could have gotten in a good half hour of volunteer work.

A fat princess is not the same as different wages or a court system that is designed from a male point of view.

@ steven )

thanks, you made very, very good points and corrected my personal view on feminism quite a bit


@ topic )

btw I was pretty sure I read/heard you can choose to play female characters in this game aswell

"yversen, fatmen are generally portrayed as helpless idiots on TV."

Yeah. But loveable, funny, happless idiots. Much MUCH different then mean-spirited, shrews.

You are totally right: Tv and video games are businesses designed to get people to consume. I agree, there ARE larger problems.

"Self respect comes from family and community not TV. We've become so over protective and "politically correct" that some children have no preception of what are realistic and appropriate differentiations."

I SHOULD come from not tv (and internet). But there's lots of stuff out there that says it is increasingly coming from those two sources. Do you think that what is being shown on tv or the internet or movies is a better perception of what is realistic or appropriate? Is it really overprotective to be upset with these things as they are right now?

"(1) If you raise your kids right, then they can watch a TV show and not take it as god's honest truth.
(2) Worry about your own first. It's just the way it is. Do you really want society to tell you how to raise your kids?"

It is increasingly more difficult to protect children from what is being aimed directly at them. Go watch 'The Corporation'. Geez, even Doves "Onslaught" commercial is pretty accurate. As a friend of people with small kids... I totally see the desperation at trying to combat this pervasive stuff. A 'fat princess' totally SHOULDN'T be a big deal. But the problem is... it IS.

*edit* Though I would like to say, steven787, that I appreciate your arguments.

I appreciate your civility.

I'm sorry, but the bolded part really grinds my gears...  I don't get my morals or political ideas from movies.  I get them from the people I meet and the places I go.  That is something I got from my parents, family, and family friends as a child.  (I do get some of my jokes from TV)

I know that kids are going to see "M" and "R" rated material.  I am trying to point out that we aren't preparing them for life properly.  How they should cope with bad words, pornographic or violent images, and vulgar people.  They are out there and a kid from a family who pays attention will be ready to see these things but not be pulled down to that level.  We are too afraid to have conversations about race, drugs, love, sex, etc...

About the TV and  videogames as sources.  There are plenty of other sources out there.  A kid (21 year old) in my summer course says "nobody goes to the library anymore."  I answered him, "Go, you'll see most of the presidents list there."  (Presidents list is each semesters top of the class, I goto a pretty tough school so these people really are in the library)... I'm getting off topic, sorry :)   Encourage reading, encourage getting ahead on school projects, encourage hobbies. 

People should demand better from themselves and their children before placing demands on society.

(Edit: for the record, I literally grew up in a bar.)

let them say whatever they want .. their voice will never be heard.