If this was about bulking up a fat guy, nobody would care.

I hate most feminists...most of them are just crazy anti-male bigots.

That is exactly what I mean when I say she makes life harder for women.  People think that these bloggers and talking heads on CNN represent the feminists and women, like they think Jesse Jackson represents all black people.  She makes it harder for those of us who are trying to protect the work, the safety, equality, and the physical and mental health of women.

As pointed out in this thread, I do believe there is a distinction.

But usually when someone is against something, they and others believe they are in favor of something else.

"Fat Guys" are okay. Read: ANY SITCOM EVER where it's a fat dude and a skinny, pretty woman.

How many fat women are treated as such in pop culture? Seriously? Rosanne? Is derided.

People who say it's ridiculous for a woman to be upset by this game need to look into the issue. YOU may not see it as a problem. YOU may be enlightened. But guess what... TONNES and TONNES of people out there are NOT enlightened. It's funny to them, in the very wrong way.

And young girls... just one more thing to say to them "Hey, fat chicks aren't good. Better be thin to be pretty". Do any of you have kids yet? Sitsters? Moms? Is this the kind of message you want to give them?

If all things were equal... then no. This wouldn't be a deal at all. But... things haven't been equal for... you know... A LONG TIME.



Seriously. Feminism is not a bad thing, when it's proper. Pretending like sexism doesn't exist is pretty lame.

You are only responding to the trolls in this thread.  Did you read any of my posts or my OP?

The issue is that she is distracting from the issue of discrimination and mistreatment of women by hating men in her later comments.

Yes, any sane person knows that there are a bunch of ways society has a leaning to favor men in many cases.  This thread isn't about that.

Last time I checked, TV sitcoms portray men as bumbling idiots who need there wives (who are only there as a supporting character) to do everything for them... pretty sexist towards men and women.

But it doesn't matter it is a tv show and a video game.  My mother is able to decide what she wants to watch and play.  You're daughter probably has real women in her life to be role models.

However, real feminism and real movements for equality (whether religious or racial) don't waste their time on these little issues.  They spend time in communities teaching and helping.  Not bitching and moaning like the lady who wrote this or the idiots here making jokes about it.

Edit: Just the jokes against feminism in general, some of the other the jokes were pretty funny. Like the next post.

If she was being funny, then that wasn't funny... but wait this is the internet... so she's probably a he. Now that throws things into perspective.

Either way horrible read, the author tenacity was disgusting and had nothing to do with the game more so her being defensive - in the perfect world people wouldn't just go crazy over what they percieve or assume.

I honestly just can't have a good view of feminism, because seriously 95% of every feminist I've met or read about have been anti-male in some way. They never seem to be about equality, just pro-female at best and anti-male at worst.

I'm all for equality.  From what I see most from feminism, feminism frequently is not about equality, it's pro-female.

"You are only responding to the trolls in this thread.  Did you read any of my posts or my OP?"

I'm sorry.  I've been out with friends and drinking so I may not be 100% great with reading every reply.  Which I concede is annoying, becuase that generally drives me crazy.

"Last time I checked, TV sitcoms portray men as bumbling idiots who need there wives"

My point is that it's presented as FUNNY that there are bumbling but the humour where the wives are concerned is generally aimed at how 'naggy' they are at the men.  My point is that, aside from Rosanne (who, as I said, was widely criticized) SOOOO often it's not considered a big deal that these 'funny' men would be considered horrible monsters if they were portrayed by women.

"But it doesn't matter it is a tv show and a video game.  My mother is able to decide what she wants to watch and play.  You're daughter probably has real women in her life to be role models."

Yup.  True.  But a couple role models compared to the constant onslaught of pop culture?  I mean... this isn't just me wah wah wahing.  There's lots of stuff that documents how pop culture is shaping what people feel like they need to BE. (for women AND men)

"However, real feminism and real movements for equality (whether religious or racial) don't waste their time on these little issues.  They spend time in communities teaching and helping.  Not bitching and moaning like the lady who wrote this or the idiots here making jokes about it."

The problem is, as far as I see it, is that these "little issues" are so pervasive that they SEEM insignificant until it's realized just how pervasive they are.

@steven:

sorry for your loss...i completely agree with everything you've said, thank you for the posts :)

There's a lot of shitty people out there in general.  They take the mantle of some social cause or political party for their own wealth, power, or (the worst) ego.

Edit:

At the other guy with the wierd name

If a family is that submerged in pop culture that TV and videogames are more effective role models than real life, then they have bigger problems then feminism.