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It's like I've read this article a lot this week.



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azrm2k said:
madkiller said:
This is not targetted at you teenagers that have no real experience with Nintendo or games in general.  This is aimed at the gamers like me that are late 20s, early 30s

 

This is the one thing I don't understand.  I can understand all the 14 and 15 year olds running around laughing at other kids for owning a Wii and calling it "kiddy".  At that age they want to try to appear more mature and distance themselves from what they enjoyed as younger kids.

What I don't understand is the older people who still go around talking like that.  Are they still emotionally stuck in puberty and unable to grasp that a game without blood, gore, and sex can still be a valid option for entertainment?  Does a game need to be so hard you die 50 times a level for it to be considered a "game" and not just "casual crap"?

 

 I did not say anything about a game needing to have blood, gore and sex to be a core game. However, a core game cannot be so easy and kiddy that 6 year olds can play it no problem. I want to see the majority of you people beat Mass Effect on Insanity like I have...



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madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

 

 

I love how people who argue that Nintendo isn't mature enough always seem to have the worst grammar and are the most immature posters.

 



HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

 

 Actually, I know many gamers just like me and none of them own a Wii. Most of the people I know think that owning a Wii is for kids and girlfriends.

 

So since you have a friend or two, your experience is representative of 6 Billion people on this planet?

The fact that you're not seeming to get is that a large portion of people who bought a previous generation console are buying the Wii, and its sales pattern (massive sales in an arbitrary month) generally goes against the assumption that it is being bought for children (or girlfriends); typically those gamers get a system like this as a gift (because they will probably not buy it themself) around a major holiday period.

People constantly talk about how the average gamer has aged (and is now in their 30s) but seem to forget that having children changes a persons values. The 28 year old student who calls people "Douchbag" is probably not that representative of the average gamer, who most likely has a full time career and children.

I am still a student because I am working toward a masters degree and I did not get a chance to go to college straight out of high school. I had to work my ass off for many years before I could put MYSELF through college. And FYI, most of my friends are all married with children and NONE of them own a Wii.

 



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madkiller said:
I am sorry, but I agree with this article 100%. This is not targetted at you teenagers that have no real experience with Nintendo or games in general. This is aimed at the gamers like me that are late 20s, early 30s and have owned EVERY Nintendo system ever released. I just got done trading in my Wii with a huge game and accessory collection to purchase the PS3 MGS4 bundle. I have used my PS3 more in a month than I did my Wii in a year. I had every major game on the Wii and was bored with all of them after 1-2 hours.

There are exactly 0 real hardcore games on the Wii. SMG, Zelda, Metroid, etc are all too easy and casual friendly now to be considered hardcore. I have owned every system in this generation and actually almost every system ever released in the U.S.. The only systems I have not owned are Neo Geo and the 3D0 due to the outrageous price on them. I am now done with Nintendo for good. I have been a Nintendo fan and supporter for their entire history, but they have now gone too far with this casual crap. Wii Music is a complete joke and I will have no part of their crap anymore. I will get everything I want and more from having both the 360 and PS3. The Wii is a child's and non-gamers toy and those so-called core games you people are talking about are NOT core games at all. The problem is there are too many teenagers that wouldn't know a core game if it bit them on the ass that are still praising Nintendo on these forums.

The real gamers are playing the PS3 and 360...

 

This is what I took away from your post:

After playing the PS3 games for more than an hour or two (something I didn't do on the Wii but I will claim to know how good/difficult the games are anyways) I decided these games are undeniably better and that anyone who doesn't think so must not be a gamer.

I really want you to believe I've been hurt emotionally and that Nintendo is a horrible company for inflicting this pain.

Games that I don't like being released on the console I own makes me feel insecure, I need to own a console that makes me feel special and pretty.

I don't like the games on the Wii therefore everyone who does is not a real gamer.

 

When you calm down and are done with the high dramatics you should try to remember that there are thousands of satisfied core gamers who visit this site who support Nintendo and don't feel the way you do. These people, who you insult when you claim that they aren't "real gamers" would appreciate it if you bring the rhetoric down to a level where a discussion can be had, something that cannot happen so long as people feel that their opinions should be seen as fact.



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madkiller said:
azrm2k said:
madkiller said:
This is not targetted at you teenagers that have no real experience with Nintendo or games in general.  This is aimed at the gamers like me that are late 20s, early 30s

 

This is the one thing I don't understand.  I can understand all the 14 and 15 year olds running around laughing at other kids for owning a Wii and calling it "kiddy".  At that age they want to try to appear more mature and distance themselves from what they enjoyed as younger kids.

What I don't understand is the older people who still go around talking like that.  Are they still emotionally stuck in puberty and unable to grasp that a game without blood, gore, and sex can still be a valid option for entertainment?  Does a game need to be so hard you die 50 times a level for it to be considered a "game" and not just "casual crap"?

 

 I did not say anything about a game needing to have blood, gore and sex to be a core game. However, a core game cannot be so easy and kiddy that 6 year olds can play it no problem. I want to see the majority of you people beat Mass Effect on Insanity like I have...

I am going to play that game this weekend and if I like it enough I probably will kill it in Insanity mode once I played thorugh it.

 



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HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

 

 

I love how people who argue that Nintendo isn't mature enough always seem to have the worst grammar and are the most immature posters.

 

Are you serious? LMAO, you are talking about grammar on the internet? On a forum? On a video game forum? You are seriously retarded. However, just so you know, I am working toward my masters degree in technology. So it is probably a good idea for you to not try and get into an intellectual argument with me as you will lose horribly.

 



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RolStoppable said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

If you were a core gamer you would have played Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and beat it on the hard difficulty setting (or at least tried to).

 

 First of all, how do you know that I did not play that game? Second of all, you are a fan of Kim Possible, a girl's cartoon, so why should anyone listen to you about anything?



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madkiller said:
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

 

 Actually, I know many gamers just like me and none of them own a Wii. Most of the people I know think that owning a Wii is for kids and girlfriends.

 

So since you have a friend or two, your experience is representative of 6 Billion people on this planet?

The fact that you're not seeming to get is that a large portion of people who bought a previous generation console are buying the Wii, and its sales pattern (massive sales in an arbitrary month) generally goes against the assumption that it is being bought for children (or girlfriends); typically those gamers get a system like this as a gift (because they will probably not buy it themself) around a major holiday period.

People constantly talk about how the average gamer has aged (and is now in their 30s) but seem to forget that having children changes a persons values. The 28 year old student who calls people "Douchbag" is probably not that representative of the average gamer, who most likely has a full time career and children.

I am still a student because I am working toward a masters degree and I did not get a chance to go to college straight out of high school. I had to work my ass off for many years before I could put MYSELF through college. And FYI, most of my friends are all married with children and NONE of them own a Wii.

 

You're getting a masters degree with such poor English. Someone remind me to never work with someone who graduated from your college. Anyways, your logical reasoning skills seem to have difficulty understanding a basic principle: your personal experience is not representative of reality in general. It is highly likely (considering the sales statistics) that your experience in life is an outlier, and many people in a similar situation to you own a Wii (potentially, more people in your position own a Wii than a PS3 or XBox 360 combined).

 

 

 



madkiller said:
HappySqurriel said:
madkiller said:

Oh no, another ban from 1 of a billion forums on the net. And in case you didn't notice, I don't post very often to begin with. But it amazes me that so many people are defending Nintendo and the Wii. I miss the old days when boys weren't such wussies and didn't like girlie crap like Kim Possible. When I was a kid we had real cartoons and manly toys, not wussie crap like Pokemon and Yugi Oh...

 

 

I love how people who argue that Nintendo isn't mature enough always seem to have the worst grammar and are the most immature posters.

 

Are you serious? LMAO, you are talking about grammar on the internet? On a forum? On a video game forum? You are seriously retarded. However, just so you know, I am working toward my masters degree in technology. So it is probably a good idea for you to not try and get into an intellectual argument with me as you will lose horribly.

 

Ok few things, first of all, you now have a warning for insulting a member, next time you will be banned.

Second, people who claim their degree makes them smart are only kidding themselves.  A masters degree (even if you already had it) would only mean you are informed in that one field and gives you no special expertise in any other field.  Attempting to flaunt it as some sort of proof of intellect only illustrates that you are afraid of engaging in a debate and instead wish to scare people off.  If you are as smart as you claim you should welcome the debate.

 

 



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