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Dno said:

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

So your saying that a system that sell good in a particular region is because a certain system might dominate there? Brilliant! I never knew that!

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

The PS3 is still 5.5 million units behind the Xbox 360. At the current rate of PS3 "domination", the PS3 will surpass Xbox 360 sales in approximately 24 months. And for S-E, being able to release VXIII, or XIII on a system that has higher sales in the West, is a big deal. Remember: The PS3 has a 1.5m lead in Japan, which isn't the region Square is releasing XIII on. So that means that even when the PS3 passes the Xbox 360 globally (around July or August 2010), it still will not have done it in North America - a region targeted by Square's move.

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

Grand Theft Auto IV is 1,510,000 units behind on the PS3. Not 1m. And the lead in favor of the of the Xbox 360 is diminishing by 200 units/wk, as of last week, thanks to Sony selling 40,000 more PS3s per week.  Of course, the week before, X360's GTAIV outsold the PS3 version by 4,000 units.

And to finalize: The end result is even if you want to argue if the PS3 will be the better-selling, superior console in 2 years, or so, this does not negate the fact that the reasoning behind releasing a game multi-platform is still a better choice. After all, if you have 2 consoles: one that has more systems sold right now, and another that might have more sold when you release your game, you'd want to release on both, and make the most money, right? It seems that PS3 owners have the whole "we're going to be #2 in 2-3 years, so games should be exclusive to the PS3" mentality.

That doesn't work here, boys. We're arguing multi-platform existance on 2 very similarly selling systems. It's not like the PS3, if it does win, is going to do so by some ungodly margin. And as a company, what would you rather do: Bet on one system, or the other doing something insane to boost sales (and lets face it, neither company is really doing stellar in the HW department), or just release the game on both systems, and sell twice the units?

 

 



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Shadowblind said:
Dno said:
mrstickball said:
ssj12 said:
 

that really isnt a balanced comparison.

The 360 was the only console out when Oblivian was released and there is the difference in market share when Marvel was released. I'm almost sure if both were released now they would sell pretty evenly.

If a company is looking to sell a game that is styled more for a Western audience, do you think they are going to look at sales of JRPGs, or WRPGs?

I mean, look at SE's decision about XIII: VGC-ers (mainly Sony fans) constantly bash JRPG sales on the X360. So if SE was motivated by something else what would it be? Western RPG sales, most likely.

And if you feel the comparison is invalid, in 2 and 1/2 months, Fallout 3 will be on the market. if the Xbox 360 version outsells it, then we'll know what system sells WRPGs better :)

 

im sorry but all of your topics are ...just flawed... you compared completely different install bases and a port of a game and expect it to sell well or as good as the 360 version?

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

Just flawed.....

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

 

 

 silly fanboy

 

G4 and NPD sales showed the PS3 having a base of 12.5 million sold consoles during E3 and the 360 with 19.3 mill, while VGChartz shows it as 14.7 mill. Meaning VGchartz is off by about 2 million consoles for the PS3. That is a very large number, meaning that throughout this yer the PS3 has sold 2 million less consoles then vgchartz says.

 

Wherever the statistics are coming from, they are flawed badly.

Overtracked or not the ps3 has outsold the 360 by almost 1.5 million world wide since the end of 2007. Which means that the ps3 is selling faster then 360 and by time ff13 comes out the install bases will be a lot closer.... silly fanboy.

 



Dno said:
Shadowblind said:
Dno said:
mrstickball said:
ssj12 said:
 

that really isnt a balanced comparison.

The 360 was the only console out when Oblivian was released and there is the difference in market share when Marvel was released. I'm almost sure if both were released now they would sell pretty evenly.

If a company is looking to sell a game that is styled more for a Western audience, do you think they are going to look at sales of JRPGs, or WRPGs?

I mean, look at SE's decision about XIII: VGC-ers (mainly Sony fans) constantly bash JRPG sales on the X360. So if SE was motivated by something else what would it be? Western RPG sales, most likely.

And if you feel the comparison is invalid, in 2 and 1/2 months, Fallout 3 will be on the market. if the Xbox 360 version outsells it, then we'll know what system sells WRPGs better :)

 

im sorry but all of your topics are ...just flawed... you compared completely different install bases and a port of a game and expect it to sell well or as good as the 360 version?

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

Just flawed.....

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

 

 

 silly fanboy

 

G4 and NPD sales showed the PS3 having a base of 12.5 million sold consoles during E3 and the 360 with 19.3 mill, while VGChartz shows it as 14.7 mill. Meaning VGchartz is off by about 2 million consoles for the PS3. That is a very large number, meaning that throughout this yer the PS3 has sold 2 million less consoles then vgchartz says.

 

Wherever the statistics are coming from, they are flawed badly.

Overtracked or not the ps3 has outsold the 360 by almost 1.5 million world wide since the end of 2007. Which means that the ps3 is selling faster then 360 and by time ff13 comes out the install bases will be a lot closer.... silly fanboy.

 

Lets see. 360 had a 5 million head start over the other consoles when they came out. I'll let you figure out the rest.

 

P.S. FFXIII is multiplatform. News?

 



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mrstickball said:
Dno said:

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

So your saying that a system that sell good in a particular region is because a certain system might dominate there? Brilliant! I never knew that!

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

The PS3 is still 5.5 million units behind the Xbox 360. At the current rate of PS3 "domination", the PS3 will surpass Xbox 360 sales in approximately 24 months. And for S-E, being able to release VXIII, or XIII on a system that has higher sales in the West, is a big deal. Remember: The PS3 has a 1.5m lead in Japan, which isn't the region Square is releasing XIII on. So that means that even when the PS3 passes the Xbox 360 globally (around July or August 2010), it still will not have done it in North America - a region targeted by Square's move.

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

Grand Theft Auto IV is 1,510,000 units behind on the PS3. Not 1m. And the lead in favor of the of the Xbox 360 is diminishing by 200 units/wk, as of last week, thanks to Sony selling 40,000 more PS3s per week.  Of course, the week before, X360's GTAIV outsold the PS3 version by 4,000 units.

And to finalize: The end result is even if you want to argue if the PS3 will be the better-selling, superior console in 2 years, or so, this does not negate the fact that the reasoning behind releasing a game multi-platform is still a better choice. After all, if you have 2 consoles: one that has more systems sold right now, and another that might have more sold when you release your game, you'd want to release on both, and make the most money, right? It seems that PS3 owners have the whole "we're going to be #2 in 2-3 years, so games should be exclusive to the PS3" mentality.

That doesn't work here, boys. We're arguing multi-platform existance on 2 very similarly selling systems. It's not like the PS3, if it does win, is going to do so by some ungodly margin. And as a company, what would you rather do: Bet on one system, or the other doing something insane to boost sales (and lets face it, neither company is really doing stellar in the HW department), or just release the game on both systems, and sell twice the units?

 

 

ok so naming elder scrolls as an example is flawed. ff13 will tell a different story in sales because at that time it will have closer installs bases and ff13 sells well in japan unlike any of the games you named before.

and i dont know what your talking about i dont care weather 360 gets ff13 vs cause its still not gonna help them from being in 3rd this gen. I was argung your flawed logic about the games you metioned before. how 360 can sell Western games. so every thing esle you said makes no sense as thats not what i was talking about.

 



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Shadowblind said:
Dno said:
Shadowblind said:
Dno said:
mrstickball said:
ssj12 said:
 

that really isnt a balanced comparison.

The 360 was the only console out when Oblivian was released and there is the difference in market share when Marvel was released. I'm almost sure if both were released now they would sell pretty evenly.

If a company is looking to sell a game that is styled more for a Western audience, do you think they are going to look at sales of JRPGs, or WRPGs?

I mean, look at SE's decision about XIII: VGC-ers (mainly Sony fans) constantly bash JRPG sales on the X360. So if SE was motivated by something else what would it be? Western RPG sales, most likely.

And if you feel the comparison is invalid, in 2 and 1/2 months, Fallout 3 will be on the market. if the Xbox 360 version outsells it, then we'll know what system sells WRPGs better :)

 

im sorry but all of your topics are ...just flawed... you compared completely different install bases and a port of a game and expect it to sell well or as good as the 360 version?

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

Just flawed.....

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

 

 

 silly fanboy

 

G4 and NPD sales showed the PS3 having a base of 12.5 million sold consoles during E3 and the 360 with 19.3 mill, while VGChartz shows it as 14.7 mill. Meaning VGchartz is off by about 2 million consoles for the PS3. That is a very large number, meaning that throughout this yer the PS3 has sold 2 million less consoles then vgchartz says.

 

Wherever the statistics are coming from, they are flawed badly.

Overtracked or not the ps3 has outsold the 360 by almost 1.5 million world wide since the end of 2007. Which means that the ps3 is selling faster then 360 and by time ff13 comes out the install bases will be a lot closer.... silly fanboy.

 

Lets see. 360 had a 5 million head start over the other consoles when they came out. I'll let you figure out the rest.

 

P.S. FFXIII is multiplatform. News?

 

hmm lets see the 360 had almost a 6-7 million lead last year now its back to 5? ill let you figure it out.

 

P.S. FFXIII is multiplaform and ps3 will still sell more units then 360. news? i think so.

 



I don't care if Microsoft buy's exclusivity or not. I just hope they pay enough to get Versus on the Xbox 360 in PAL.

This game will be SO much better than FFXIII.



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starcraft said:
I don't care if Microsoft buy's exclusivity or not. I just hope they pay enough to get Versus on the Xbox 360 in PAL.

This game will be SO much better than FFXIII.

 

 As a SE fan before a sony fan i think its good and bad news. i REALLY wanted to see what SE can do with the ps3 full system power. So its a little sad that they are gonna make it on 360.

On the other hand if this game means more ff games and faster because they made much more money then so be it!!!!!



Dno said:
mrstickball said:
ssj12 said:

that really isnt a balanced comparison.

The 360 was the only console out when Oblivian was released and there is the difference in market share when Marvel was released. I'm almost sure if both were released now they would sell pretty evenly.

If a company is looking to sell a game that is styled more for a Western audience, do you think they are going to look at sales of JRPGs, or WRPGs?

I mean, look at SE's decision about XIII: VGC-ers (mainly Sony fans) constantly bash JRPG sales on the X360. So if SE was motivated by something else what would it be? Western RPG sales, most likely.

And if you feel the comparison is invalid, in 2 and 1/2 months, Fallout 3 will be on the market. if the Xbox 360 version outsells it, then we'll know what system sells WRPGs better :)

 

im sorry but all of your topics are ...just flawed... you compared completely different install bases and a port of a game and expect it to sell well or as good as the 360 version?

All games that are for english speaking people are gonna sell good on xbox because of the install base and thats the only reason.

But what you fail to metion is the ps3 has sold more units and at a faster pace then 360 (hardware) this year and there are no signs of slowing down... by time any of these ff games are released the install base for both will be much closer. Then we can compare a game like ff13 and sales on ps3 and 360. That year head start for 360 is what makes games like elder scroll sell more (plus the ps3 was not even out when that game dropped).

Just flawed.....

What you need to compare is GTA4... and what the ps3 is 1 million behind 360 with a 5 million lead on ps3? thats just not good and if the install base were closer then ps3 would be pushing much more software.

 

That shows a complete lack of understanding of how install bases work.  Sales don't increase exponentially with install base.

 



Dno said:

ok so naming elder scrolls as an example is flawed. ff13 will tell a different story in sales because at that time it will have closer installs bases and ff13 sells well in japan unlike any of the games you named before.

and i dont know what your talking about i dont care weather 360 gets ff13 vs cause its still not gonna help them from being in 3rd this gen. I was argung your flawed logic about the games you metioned before. how 360 can sell Western games. so every thing esle you said makes no sense as thats not what i was talking about.

 

Dno,

I don't think anyone has argued you if FF13 will sell better on the PS3. You can easily find my other posts, where I state that XIII will indeed sell better on the PS3, for many reasons.

But at any rate, we are arguing the existance of a game on the Xbox 360. And if you want to argue my points being out of context, fine. But the fact is, the Xbox 360 has proven that it can indeed sell RPGs, and especially Western RPGs to a Western audience. You can argue time frames, install bases, whatever. Each point is valid. But again, the discussion is if a game will go multiplatform, and I feel that the Xbox 360, through sales numbers of the games I have given, shows that the Xbox 360 is a decent platform to put your product on. We can argue if it'll outsell a PS3 version or not, but we can establish that with Xbox 360 sales patterns, the LTD total of the Xbox 360 version will be close enough to provide a good profit to Square Enix, hence why the project has a good chance of existing.

 



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