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Rainbird on 20 July 2008
Jessman said:
Rainbird said:
Jessman said:
Rainbird said:
Jessman said:
I haven't even downloaded the Update, that is how much of a dust collecter my PS3 is, it is a good implementation, but it should of had more games to support it.


And i agree, Gamerscore is heaps better.

Lol, now you're just trolling.

And I agree with MATURE. I don't own a 360 and when someone says they have 5000 points, I have no clue if that's a good or a bad thing. But as soon as people start getting trophies, you can much easier be impressed by someone who is level 5, because you know it took a lot of work, exactly like you know that 5000 points take a lot of work, once you start getting them yourself.

I'm pretty sure Sony said that trophy support wasn't going to be mandatory before some time this fall, to make sure that games close to release aren't getting their schedules fucked over by the extra work.

Don't go overboard, Asshole.

 

By looking at trophies, i don't have a fucking clue if level 1 and 1 trophy is good, when i look at someones Gamerscore, and look at their Acheivements (What you get Gamerscore from), it tells you WHAT game, WHAT Aheivement and HOW many points you get.

 

Okay, first of all, I have no clue where I can go and see that stuff, because again, I don't have a 360 nor do I have a Live-account, so you would have to tell me what you did to earn that stuff or direct me to somewhere where I can see it. If you don't, then I'm no closer to understanding how much work went into getting those points than I was before.

Besides, you can compare trophies with people on your friendslist (don't know if you can with people you're just playing with, I'm not much of an online player) to see exactly what trophies they have compared to the ones you have.

So, like I said before, your previous post seems more like trolling than anything else, but was that just because you were uninformed or was it intentional?

Can do it on live too.

 

Let me Screen shot some stuff for you.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/jeshiii/XBL.jpg

There is comparing acheivements, in GTAIV (Can be done in ALL games, not just a selected few)

On PC and the console itself.

You can do it with ANYONE who you have met online, aswell as your whole freinds list.

And I agree, it is more functional than trophies are now. But that doesn't change the fact that I as a person who don't own a 360, I have no clue how much work it took to get to 5000 points, but if I did own a 360 and had earned points my self, I would better understand. The exact same stuff goes for trophies. You have no idea how much work it took to get to level 5 until you have gotten some experience with the system yourself.



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windbane on 20 July 2008

half a year to go. Let's see if Home makes it.

trophies are good. Super Stardust HD is an awesome game. If you don't have trophies, do you even own the game to know it's bad?



BrainBoxLtd on 20 July 2008
twesterm said:
Retrasado said:
 

 

Twesterm said:

Meh, I never had high hopes for trophies anyways. They're better than I originally imagined but they still aren't as good as Gamerscore.

heh. After all of one game supports them, you make a statement like that? ummmm.....

 

No, I just think the overall system isn't good.  With achievements you have thing that are worth a specific amount, which trophies they are some obscure amount.

What does it take to get 5000 gamer points?  A lot of work.  What does it take to get to level 5?  I have no fucking clue.

I guess it's just a matter of do you like more abstract or exact.

A lot of work my ass.

How to earn 6000 Points (Without really trying)

That's a very old Gamespot article showing how to easily get 6000 points spread across 7 games. Four of which were 2K and EA sports titles. And even though both those companies have more balanced achievements now, there's still plenty of cheese games coming out like Superman Returns, CSI, Tomb Raider Legends, or Avatar where you can literally get 1000 points in a few minutes of play. (You posted a video of it sometime back if I remember correctly.)

Comparing Gamerscores is more trivial then people comparing games on Gamerankings who have a .2% difference in score. Me getting every achievement in Dead Rising, Skate, and The Orange Box is worth less Gamerscore than someone who fiddled around with five sports titles that came out after the 360's launch.

I heavily favor this trophy system for pointless e-penis comparisons than gamerscore. (The system itself. This massive lack of support for it as the OP pointed out I mostly agree with.) Instead of attaching arbitrary point values to these little in-game checklists, it just shows you how many things you've checked off and seperates them Bronze, Silver, Gold. Then Platnium for when you finish an entire game. And I'm sure there will be games with too many gold trohpies or whatever. Some people already complained the Late Boomer in Super Stardust is only silver when it's the hardest trophy.

But this system at least more favors how many trophies/achievements you get as opposed to how much they're "worth". If the Orange Box had the same set-up for trophies as it did for achievements for the 360 (Which it doesn't, and again that's the pertains to the problem the OP raised) it'd net someone 100 trophies if someone finished it entirely. Which would be more than every game mentioned in that Gamespot article combined. Probably make the same person a higher "level" too. I like that.



d21lewis on 20 July 2008

Why so serious?



Godot on 20 July 2008
BrainBoxLtd said:
twesterm said:
Retrasado said:

 

Twesterm said:

Meh, I never had high hopes for trophies anyways. They're better than I originally imagined but they still aren't as good as Gamerscore.

heh. After all of one game supports them, you make a statement like that? ummmm.....

 

No, I just think the overall system isn't good.  With achievements you have thing that are worth a specific amount, which trophies they are some obscure amount.

What does it take to get 5000 gamer points?  A lot of work.  What does it take to get to level 5?  I have no fucking clue.

I guess it's just a matter of do you like more abstract or exact.

A lot of work my ass.

How to earn 6000 Points (Without really trying)

That's a very old Gamespot article showing how to easily get 6000 points spread across 7 games. Four of which were 2K and EA sports titles. And even though both those companies have more balanced achievements now, there's still plenty of cheese games coming out like Superman Returns, CSI, Tomb Raider Legends, or Avatar where you can literally get 1000 points in a few minutes of play. (You posted a video of it sometime back if I remember correctly.)

Comparing Gamerscores is more trivial then people comparing games on Gamerankings who have a .2% difference in score. Me getting every achievement in Dead Rising, Skate, and The Orange Box is worth less Gamerscore than someone who fiddled around with five sports titles that came out after the 360's launch.

I heavily favor this trophy system for pointless e-penis comparisons than gamerscore. (The system itself. This massive lack of support for it as the OP pointed out I mostly agree with.) Instead of attaching arbitrary point values to these little in-game checklists, it just shows you how many things you've checked off and seperates them Bronze, Silver, Gold. Then Platnium for when you finish an entire game. And I'm sure there will be games with too many gold trohpies or whatever. Some people already complained the Late Boomer in Super Stardust is only silver when it's the hardest trophy.

But this system at least more favors how many trophies/achievements you get as opposed to how much they're "worth". If the Orange Box had the same set-up for trophies as it did for achievements for the 360 (Which it doesn't, and again that's the pertains to the problem the OP raised) it'd net someone 100 trophies if someone finished it entirely. Which would be more than every game mentioned in that Gamespot article combined. Probably make the same person a higher "level" too. I like that.

Wow! I can't believe people actually play shovelware to get better gamerscore. They have way too much time on their hand.

The problem with trophies is that it's extremely easy to add them when you program the game for the first time but doing a patch for a game that was programmed without trophies in mind can get more complicated...



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Luppien on 20 July 2008

well i think its fun collecing them in ssd but its still just an extra nothing to be crazy about.



xstonexcold316x on 20 July 2008
Jessman said:
Rainbird said:
Jessman said:
Rainbird said:
Jessman said:
I haven't even downloaded the Update, that is how much of a dust collecter my PS3 is, it is a good implementation, but it should of had more games to support it.


And i agree, Gamerscore is heaps better.

Lol, now you're just trolling.

And I agree with MATURE. I don't own a 360 and when someone says they have 5000 points, I have no clue if that's a good or a bad thing. But as soon as people start getting trophies, you can much easier be impressed by someone who is level 5, because you know it took a lot of work, exactly like you know that 5000 points take a lot of work, once you start getting them yourself.

I'm pretty sure Sony said that trophy support wasn't going to be mandatory before some time this fall, to make sure that games close to release aren't getting their schedules fucked over by the extra work.

Don't go overboard, Asshole.

 

By looking at trophies, i don't have a fucking clue if level 1 and 1 trophy is good, when i look at someones Gamerscore, and look at their Acheivements (What you get Gamerscore from), it tells you WHAT game, WHAT Aheivement and HOW many points you get.

 

Okay, first of all, I have no clue where I can go and see that stuff, because again, I don't have a 360 nor do I have a Live-account, so you would have to tell me what you did to earn that stuff or direct me to somewhere where I can see it. If you don't, then I'm no closer to understanding how much work went into getting those points than I was before.

Besides, you can compare trophies with people on your friendslist (don't know if you can with people you're just playing with, I'm not much of an online player) to see exactly what trophies they have compared to the ones you have.

So, like I said before, your previous post seems more like trolling than anything else, but was that just because you were uninformed or was it intentional?

Can do it on live too.

 

Let me Screen shot some stuff for you.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/jeshiii/XBL.jpg

There is comparing acheivements, in GTAIV (Can be done in ALL games, not just a selected few)

On PC and the console itself.

You can do it with ANYONE who you have met online, aswell as your whole freinds list.

 

 

 

 

you can compare trophies with anyone you met or on your friends list on the PS3

trophies also tell you what game, what trophy, and what level the trophy is so just looking at acheviments and trophies they seem somewhat similar



Bagaren85 on 20 July 2008

big let down, or fail, yes.
Thats a shame, becuase its a great idea.. But its full potenial will be when ps4 arrives. From start, full support.zz



ollie3650 on 20 July 2008

i like most people who have commented dont have any trphies, but does anyone no if there are any games which incorporate these trophies?



ollie3650 on 20 July 2008
ollie3650 said:

i like most people who have commented dont have any trphies, but does anyone no if there are any games which incorporate these trophies?

 

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