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TWRoO on 22 July 2008

^According to the connection test (not the voip) my download speed is 1.99Mbps.

but my upload speed is only 183kbps!

Why is upload so much lower than download.



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Words Of Wisdom on 22 July 2008

Realistically speaking, there will be a faster alternative to the fiber they just put in by the time Australia gets their infrastructure in place.



Dogs Rule on 22 July 2008
TWRoO said:
^According to the connection test (not the voip) my download speed is 1.99Mbps.

but my upload speed is only 183kbps!

Why is upload so much lower than download.

Most ISPs offer significant slower uploads. I assume it is so you don't act like a server on your end.

Try running the Voip test. It's free and like I pointed out, it gives you information that is critical for good online gaming such as you packet loss rate, your response time.

 



SamuelRSmith on 22 July 2008
ljgamer said:
lukcy australians, i only have 3mb broadband here in the UK

 

 BT have announced plans to bring fiberoptic to the entire UK by 2012.

EDIT: 100mbp/s, no less. None of this measily 12mbps crap.



TWRoO on 22 July 2008
Dogs Rule said:
TWRoO said:
^According to the connection test (not the voip) my download speed is 1.99Mbps.

but my upload speed is only 183kbps!

Why is upload so much lower than download.

Most ISPs offer significant slower uploads. I assume it is so you don't act like a server on your end.

Try running the Voip test. It's free and like I pointed out, it gives you information that is critical for good online gaming such as you packet loss rate, your response time.

 

I don't play games on my laptop at all (except rarely with Sims/SimCity or random flash games) never mind online games.
There were tabs down the left hand side of the results though and it said my connection was sufficient for Voip, and that my speed was 96% reliable or something.

@Samuel.. prove it by taking the test I did that Dogs Rule posted.



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vaio on 22 July 2008
TWRoO said:

Does anyone have a link to one of those test sites so we can compre fairly? The link above only works for USA.

For instance perhaps vaio's connection doesn't quite live up to 100MB/sec? and perhaps mine is not so low (The thing on my laptop says 36Mbps, and goes as high as 56Mbps, but first of all that is in bits instead of bytes... and I think that is the actual laptops capability rather than what I get from my ISP.

I very rarely come up to thoose speeds and thats mainly because there is no one else that also can.

The fastes I have done downloading is about 26 Mb/s if i remember correcly, I downloaded 5 gig in 50+ sec, the fastes I have come up in when taken a speed test is 88Mb/s.

 

 



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MrBubbles on 22 July 2008
TWRoO said:

Does anyone have a link to one of those test sites so we can compre fairly? The link above only works for USA.

 

http://www.speedtest.net/

 



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Retrasado on 22 July 2008
omgwtfbbq said:

Australia has 20 million people, 70% of which live in top seven cities.

The U.S. has 300 million people, 8% of which live in the top seven cities.

The U.S. has 50 million subscribers (not just available) to lines of speeds from 3-10Mbps

Our taxes are lower.

High Speed for all v. I get to choose what I spend my money on... hmm let me think about that.

There are no caps on downloads or fees for overages in the U.S., plans in OZ charge.

Plans in OZ are way more for the higher speeds, the lower speeds are cheap though (but you don't get much DL capacity).

8% of 300 million is still higher than 70% of 20 million. Population density in US is heaps higher than Australia, even if we discount those areas of Australia that are largely desert and wasteland. US has no excuse for not providing decent broadband.

Having said that, you are right about the rest. Australia's broadband services suck balls currently, easily the worst out of all the developed nations. While this broadband push is a good idea I know exactly what's going to happen, we're going to get charged through the nose and have shitty caps like always.

 

The areas of the US that are near major cities DO have great internet access (with no download caps I might add) However, for the significant portion of the population that does NOT live near major cites, it is far more patchy. And btw, the US does have an excuse. as you can see in the following maps, the U.S's population is spread out much more than Australia's:

Notice how the vast majority of Australia's population is clustered near the southeastern coast with only a few other areas (notably Perth and Cairns-Townsville) having major population clusters. In contrast, nearly half of the US (<1,300,000 sq mi/3,300,000 km2) has a significant population concentration. This presents a far far greater challenge to building an adequate fiber network that Australia will ever have to deal with.

 



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brawl4life on 22 July 2008

I only have 5mb connection :/

source: speedtest.net



steven787 on 22 July 2008
Retrasado said:
omgwtfbbq said:

Steven787 said:

Australia has 20 million people, 70% of which live in top seven cities.

The U.S. has 300 million people, 8% of which live in the top seven cities.

The U.S. has 50 million subscribers (not just available) to lines of speeds from 3-10Mbps

Our taxes are lower.

High Speed for all v. I get to choose what I spend my money on... hmm let me think about that.

There are no caps on downloads or fees for overages in the U.S., plans in OZ charge.

Plans in OZ are way more for the higher speeds, the lower speeds are cheap though (but you don't get much DL capacity).

8% of 300 million is still higher than 70% of 20 million. Population density in US is heaps higher than Australia, even if we discount those areas of Australia that are largely desert and wasteland. US has no excuse for not providing decent broadband.

Having said that, you are right about the rest. Australia's broadband services suck balls currently, easily the worst out of all the developed nations. While this broadband push is a good idea I know exactly what's going to happen, we're going to get charged through the nose and have shitty caps like always.

 

The areas of the US that are near major cities DO have great internet access (with no download caps I might add) However, for the significant portion of the population that does NOT live near major cites, it is far more patchy. And btw, the US does have an excuse. as you can see in the following maps, the U.S's population is spread out much more than Australia's:

Notice how the vast majority of Australia's population is clustered near the southeastern coast with only a few other areas (notably Perth and Cairns-Townsville) having major population clusters. In contrast, nearly half of the US (<1,300,000 sq mi/3,300,000 km2) has a significant population concentration. This presents a far far greater challenge to building an adequate fiber network that Australia will ever have to deal with.

 

 

.08 times 300 million = 24 million

@OMG, Yes you are right, 8% of US is bigger, that is my point.  Theoretically, it would be harder to organize this.

But in reality, not plans theoretical plans, the U.S. provides broadband internet to more square miles than any other country, it is affordable with no caps and almost no censorship.

Everyone wants to hate on the U.S. all the time for something.  Hate the foreign policy, not everything else.  (Don't hate the playa, hate game.)

Also, the states have a lot of Control over this stuff.  Some mid-western state choose not to put upgrades into the budget and bring down the National average.

Higher max speeds are available in the U.S., but many people choose not to buy this service.  I have 3mbps, I can get upto 10  for $10 extra.  I don't need it though. This phenomena also brings down the national average.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.