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theprof00 on 17 July 2008
endimion said:
the only thing I see... live streaming on demand is the only way to go in the future, finally someone is actually getting a good idea in the IS/IT industry.... i'm tired of those useless format war of digital support when technically the only thing it does better than the rest is taking space on my shelves and keeping dust....
now lets develope cloud and grid computing.... and we won't need to worry about anything else than having a screen a sound system and a multimedia box receiver, and a very high speed connection
no need of a PC or a player or even a console.....
the future is all about software and services.... but people have problems to get that... they need their piece of crap in their hands to be happy for now, it's changing, and it's changing fast, you better like it because it won't ask you for your opinion

 

I think the thing that is most hard to learn is that it is not a tangible product. Well, that and pretty much the fact that you can't trust anything that you can't hold in your hands.
Making all media intangible only adds to the problems if you ask me. Too much corporate controll.

How many times has making things intangible led to problems? A lot if you ask most people.

Use a bank? Ever been overdraft charged? That comes with not having the tangible money in your pocket. There are plenty of other things they can do to you.

Say you buy a movie online. Say you buy 200 movies online. Say your hard drive fails, say you don't keep receipts, say in ten years those 200 movies disappear because of some "expiration date" or "extended rental" service is how things are done. The response to problems like those by most companies? Not our problem, those are the conditions.

It's just another way to beurocratize your life, and take money out of your pocket with little investment by the company.

Shoot ask yourself this, why have digital prices gone up compared to media when production costs are absolutely zero???!?

 

I'm NOT saying this is a bad technology. I'm saying, put a company like MS (fire shield on) in charge of something like this, and expect to pay through the teeth, and only be dissappointed again and again. The monopolatory tactics leave little else. Just look at windows software. 200-400 for office???? Bill gates has how much money? Where is all this money going, seeing as how vista has been blasted over and over.

 

EDIT:I just wanted to remind everyone, that i am a vista user and i really enjoy it. Although i bought it OEM. I really like 360 although after Me and my 6 friends went through 20 units combined i can't handle it anymore. They have a good product, just not the best product, and it is really overpriced. Any of this can be said for Sony as well, so don't think i'm picking sides.



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antfromtashkent on 17 July 2008
Strategyking92 said:
not weird. There were rumors going back to the beggining of the year, and people even voted (even me)

 

 i vote as well, but that was for the format war...and PS3 won thats y its weird :P



FishyJoe on 17 July 2008

Netflix is battling battling with Amazon, Apple, Comcast, etc. Netflix probably needs MS even more than MS needs Netflix.



west-phoenix-az on 17 July 2008

I really like the idea of paying a monthly service fee of $20 or less and being able to watch movies on demand. I use Blockbuster online now, but if I could watch movies on demand it would be MUCH better. Does Netflix have a list of what is available media for this "instant streaming"?



endimion on 17 July 2008
theprof00 said:
endimion said:
the only thing I see... live streaming on demand is the only way to go in the future, finally someone is actually getting a good idea in the IS/IT industry.... i'm tired of those useless format war of digital support when technically the only thing it does better than the rest is taking space on my shelves and keeping dust....
now lets develope cloud and grid computing.... and we won't need to worry about anything else than having a screen a sound system and a multimedia box receiver, and a very high speed connection
no need of a PC or a player or even a console.....
the future is all about software and services.... but people have problems to get that... they need their piece of crap in their hands to be happy for now, it's changing, and it's changing fast, you better like it because it won't ask you for your opinion

 

I think the thing that is most hard to learn is that it is not a tangible product. Well, that and pretty much the fact that you can't trust anything that you can't hold in your hands.
Making all media intangible only adds to the problems if you ask me. Too much corporate controll.

How many times has making things intangible led to problems? A lot if you ask most people.

Use a bank? Ever been overdraft charged? That comes with not having the tangible money in your pocket. There are plenty of other things they can do to you.

Say you buy a movie online. Say you buy 200 movies online. Say your hard drive fails, say you don't keep receipts, say in ten years those 200 movies disappear because of some "expiration date" or "extended rental" service is how things are done. The response to problems like those by most companies? Not our problem, those are the conditions.

It's just another way to beurocratize your life, and take money out of your pocket with little investment by the company.

Shoot ask yourself this, why have digital prices gone up compared to media when production costs are absolutely zero???!?

Like you are going to have the choice anyway :) that's good to still think consumers have something to say into it... my friend you are dreaming, first you'll get use to it like you got use to switch from writing a letter to typing an e-mail... and second industry will have to cut the cost, suppress the process of pressing packing sending etc that's a lot of money. without saying that plastic is on the verge to desappear for 2 reason oil barrel is skyrocketing and we won't have oil for much longer... and even if we do if it cost more than a barrel to make one it's useless...

I'm NOT saying this is a bad technology. I'm saying, put a company like MS (fire shield on) in charge of something like this, and expect to pay through the teeth, and only be dissappointed again and again. The monopolatory tactics leave little else. Just look at windows software. 200-400 for office???? Bill gates has how much money? Where is all this money going, seeing as how vista has been blasted over and over.

yeah well the vista everybody is blasting might be a slow beast but at least it didn't get ass raped in half a day like mac OS X last distribution... yeah you heard right half a day to compromise mac OS X security when it took several for compromising Vista SP1... people are just talking out of their ass when they talk about MS.... they might have a monopoly, and that's anoying... but hey they worked for it.... and trust me without MS the industry might not be where it's at right now... and MS corp has thousands of business solution that not many other company can even dream to match and that includes APPLE....

EDIT:I just wanted to remind everyone, that i am a vista user and i really enjoy it. Although i bought it OEM. I really like 360 although after Me and my 6 friends went through 20 units combined i can't handle it anymore. They have a good product, just not the best product, and it is really overpriced. Any of this can be said for Sony as well, so don't think i'm picking sides.

 

it's ok I see your point, and I agree, except about the tangible part, which is just a question of habit nothing more nothing less.... the thing is once again you all won't have a word to say... the future will be to have more and more chips on you if not in your body and live in a more and more "virtual" world... it won't be crazy like in sci-fi it's just the flow of information that will be...... all numbers out there are showing it... the machine is launched and you can't stop it.... yeah that will cause some issues, such as privacy, security, ID theft... those problem already exist today... they'll just go from the tangible to the intangible... it's hard to accept.... but it's the way it will be.... you can engrave that on my coffin the day I die..

Tomorrow you'll have a touch screen wrist band computer that links to cloud computing networks and relay information directly from a multi purpose chips in your spin, that monitors at the same time your position, your vitals, your financial status.... well pretty much your life.... that's not right now but it's coming and trust me by then your collection of DVD will be stored somewhere on the other side of the globe and you couldn't care less about having a box in hand.... (and don't think it will take a 1000 year to come, it's really next door, who already has a chip in their dogs or pet in general, now go 15 years back and ask yourself if you'd thought about it then)

 

EDIT: oh and about MS and their software price.... that I totally agree.... but that is also about to change.... they won't have the choice.... the future is the opensourceware.... and that's true for more than just software... look at what the MIT is doing with their opencourseware..... http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm

and I linked it already but I do it again that 9 min video is exactly what i'm talking about http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjKBsfk_O8c&feature=related



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Strategyking92 on 17 July 2008
antfromtashkent said:
Strategyking92 said:
not weird. There were rumors going back to the beggining of the year, and people even voted (even me)

 

 i vote as well, but that was for the format war...and PS3 won thats y its weird :P

 

I fail to see the weirdness in that.

Blu-ray may have won (netflix supported), but you don't think netflix likes money or something? Why wouldn't they support xbox users with this service? I mean, netflix makes more money!



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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RPGJock on 17 July 2008
BengaBenga said:
Really I'm getting tired of the assumptions that Microsoft buys everything.

Doesn't it occur to anyone that the 360 is the leading console+entertainment sytem in the most important market: the US? And that it therfore is a ver valuable partner?
Square even said it was THEIR decision to bring FF13 to 360 as well, not very strange considering 360's userbase in the US.
For Netflix this partnership opens a whole lot of opportunities.

You are Benga, saying that Microsoft bought someone is stated to plainly and not exactly the case.

But to say that Microsoft doesn't offer advertisement capital, support collaboration, perks, incentives, lower profit sharing and other "subsidized" solutions would be complicated to say.  And we know they do that just like they do that in most of Microsoft bussinesses before. 

As for Netfilx deal, again this was done before they annouce the plans.  You could access the netflix queue through a hack that you could look up on the web, like at CNET.com. I am figuring that eventually Microsoft had to repair the "hole" or enter into a deal with Netflix to avoid legal recourse.

I see this as a win-win sitution for both parties.  Netflix need for a bigger hardware solution then selling just their Roku set top boxes.   Microsoft adds another reason to have a console in the living room.  Oh course one has to ask how does this helps (hinder)  their online movie business and partnerships, if they are not going to be generating the same revenue as they planned if Netfilx users are just renting from their service.



I'm just saying...

endimion on 17 July 2008

BR has won over HD dvd... so far it has won absolutely nothing else...... look at me I stand high on my position... streaming will win the HD format war..... one way or another..... SHIFT HAPPENS lol



endimion on 17 July 2008

oh and to keep on the technological advancement here is another video but watch out it's an hour long, but it deserves it.... hte book is great too
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/266/



antfromtashkent on 17 July 2008
Strategyking92 said:
antfromtashkent said:
Strategyking92 said:
not weird. There were rumors going back to the beggining of the year, and people even voted (even me)

 

 i vote as well, but that was for the format war...and PS3 won thats y its weird :P

 

I fail to see the weirdness in that.

Blu-ray may have won (netflix supported), but you don't think netflix likes money or something? Why wouldn't they support xbox users with this service? I mean, netflix makes more money!

did ya miss my original post? the point is that MS deffenders keep saying that MS dosent pay for exclusive content and all signs point to them paying for netflix.....