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steverhcp02 on 25 November 2007
friedtofu said:

steverhcp02 said:
friedtofu said:
Saiyar said:
This weeks numbers are in. The full breakdown will be late though due to Thanksgiving. Probaly out on Monday.

Week 66:34 (Blu:HD)

Shrek 3 was number 1 with around 40k units.

Since in NA there are about 3 million Blu players (including the PS3's) vs about 300K(?) set top Hddvd players you would think that the ratio would be way different than this. Like 10:1.


try over 500k HD DVD players....and what, the study showed 20% PS3 users potentially use the system for playback?.........

 

Ugh, why do i even bother, yes BD is failing, everyone here is right, long live Wii60 down with Sony.

 

 

Yah thats the spirit! lol Just kidding. But what is the estimated number of set top boxes out their right now for both Blu and Hddvd? I think someone asked this earlier as well. I was under the impression there were only 300K hddvd players out there. Or did that last Walmart sale boost it to 500K?

 I think the most recent reports were greater than 600k HD DVD and roughly 400k BD.....and yes, thats after the walmart/BB clear outs of A2's.

 

the thing that people dont seem to understand is that BD IS doing this because of th ePS3...however, a very small portion of the PS3's userbase A)knows about BD B)has an HD TV or C) is ready to buy BD's.......

 

Now, this holiday rather than BD needing a ps3 or SAL in peoples homes...the BDA can push HDTV's to existing PS3 users, sellmore PS3's and sell SAL's. Its funny how people trash the PS3 and BD by saying "only 40% know they can play BD" when in reality the only thing that means is that there is a potential 60% increase in PS3 owners buying BD movies ALREADY IN HOMES. 




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steverhcp02 on 25 November 2007
makingmusic476 said:
I all depends on Warner.

Warner has released roughly 30% of all HD movies on either format, as they are the only studio releasing large numbers of catalog titles consistently, and if they went to HD, Blu would have no chance of winning. Both would probably stalemate, but equal movie selection combined with cheaper HD DVD players would definitely keep Blu from reaching total victory. I don't think it would be enough for HD to win, however. Like I said, content would be equal on both sides (with a slight lean to HD, assuming Fox continues to sit on it's ass) but the ps3 effect, early adopters going dual format, and the continuing (though meager) sales of Blu-Ray standalones would turn this war into a stalemate, something that retailers and studios really don't want. Also, sales of Blu-Ray SAL players would pick up in a year or two when they drop to around $150 just like what happened with HD DVD.

If Warner went HD, at least Fox would start releasing more titles. It took the Paramount move for them to even release Independence Day.

If Warner went Blu, however, Blu-Ray would have almost 80% of studio marketshare from the last year, and more than 80% of the current HD releases exclusive to the format, and it would guarantee a win within a couple of years.
here is my take.

If warner goes HD DVD id guess HD DVD pulls it out sometime mid 2009. After then perhaps manufacturing costs would allow other CE's to actual make a profit on players, since Toshiba has single handedly destroyed any potential CE support for the near future. Plus, it will merely take I am Legend and the Dark Knight and bam, HD DVD domination. It will take time though, obviously as BD could weather the storm, but only for so long.

If warner Goes BD exclusive we are looking at probably by CES that this thing will be over(by CES the war would be over, not WB will be exclusive by CES). Just no way HD DVD can compete with PAramount.DW and Uni with only Tosh making players (Onkyo repackaged Tosh doesnt count =)....)If by CES warner is BD exclusive the shear momentum of having virtually unanimous CE support, moreretail space and roughly 80% of home videos would effectively end this thing in the minds of all rationale human beings.

 




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makingmusic476 on 25 November 2007
steverhcp02 said:
makingmusic476 said:
I all depends on Warner.

Warner has released roughly 30% of all HD movies on either format, as they are the only studio releasing large numbers of catalog titles consistently, and if they went to HD, Blu would have no chance of winning. Both would probably stalemate, but equal movie selection combined with cheaper HD DVD players would definitely keep Blu from reaching total victory. I don't think it would be enough for HD to win, however. Like I said, content would be equal on both sides (with a slight lean to HD, assuming Fox continues to sit on it's ass) but the ps3 effect, early adopters going dual format, and the continuing (though meager) sales of Blu-Ray standalones would turn this war into a stalemate, something that retailers and studios really don't want. Also, sales of Blu-Ray SAL players would pick up in a year or two when they drop to around $150 just like what happened with HD DVD.

If Warner went HD, at least Fox would start releasing more titles. It took the Paramount move for them to even release Independence Day.

If Warner went Blu, however, Blu-Ray would have almost 80% of studio marketshare from the last year, and more than 80% of the current HD releases exclusive to the format, and it would guarantee a win within a couple of years.
here is my take.

If warner goes HD DVD id guess HD DVD pulls it out sometime mid 2009. After then perhaps manufacturing costs would allow other CE's to actual make a profit on players, since Toshiba has single handedly destroyed any potential CE support for the near future. Plus, it will merely take I am Legend and the Dark Knight and bam, HD DVD domination. It will take time though, obviously as BD could weather the storm, but only for so long.

If warner Goes BD exclusive we are looking at probably by CES that this thing will be over(by CES the war would be over, not WB will be exclusive by CES). Just no way HD DVD can compete with PAramount.DW and Uni with only Tosh making players (Onkyo repackaged Tosh doesnt count =)....)If by CES warner is BD exclusive the shear momentum of having virtually unanimous CE support, moreretail space and roughly 80% of home videos would effectively end this thing in the minds of all rationale human beings.

 


I think Blu-Ray would survive if Warner went Red. Even if Blu-Ray becamse niche in the US, Japan would still be fully Blu-Ray, and Sony Pictures would never support HD DVD. Continued sales of the ps3 would provide Blu-Ray with life for years to come in the US. The format will never die. It will probably maintain even more marketshare than Laserdisc did at the pinnacle of it's life.

And, if Warner went Red, Fox would probably start releasing more titles, much like they did after the Paramount deal. They keep delaying titles because of AACS and BD+, but they'll step up their releases if they face losing BD+ all together. An influx of Fox catalog titles would definitely counteract the weight of Warner, aside from the Dark Knight.

Edit: Also, I believe that Sony and Panasonic (the two major patent holders of Blu-Ray technology) would begin subsidizing players should Warner go exclusive and HD DVD really start to take off. They're not going to stand by idly and watch the war slip from within their grasp. Toshiba has been subsidizing players practically since the ps3 launched, and if HD DVD begins to become a major threat, then Sony and Panasonic will follow suit.

Toshiba has played the price card. They played it almost a year ago. The BDA, however, still has that card sitting in their deck. 



LordTheNightKnight on 26 November 2007
makingmusic476 said:
steverhcp02 said:
makingmusic476 said:
I all depends on Warner.

Warner has released roughly 30% of all HD movies on either format, as they are the only studio releasing large numbers of catalog titles consistently, and if they went to HD, Blu would have no chance of winning. Both would probably stalemate, but equal movie selection combined with cheaper HD DVD players would definitely keep Blu from reaching total victory. I don't think it would be enough for HD to win, however. Like I said, content would be equal on both sides (with a slight lean to HD, assuming Fox continues to sit on it's ass) but the ps3 effect, early adopters going dual format, and the continuing (though meager) sales of Blu-Ray standalones would turn this war into a stalemate, something that retailers and studios really don't want. Also, sales of Blu-Ray SAL players would pick up in a year or two when they drop to around $150 just like what happened with HD DVD.

If Warner went HD, at least Fox would start releasing more titles. It took the Paramount move for them to even release Independence Day.

If Warner went Blu, however, Blu-Ray would have almost 80% of studio marketshare from the last year, and more than 80% of the current HD releases exclusive to the format, and it would guarantee a win within a couple of years.
here is my take.

If warner goes HD DVD id guess HD DVD pulls it out sometime mid 2009. After then perhaps manufacturing costs would allow other CE's to actual make a profit on players, since Toshiba has single handedly destroyed any potential CE support for the near future. Plus, it will merely take I am Legend and the Dark Knight and bam, HD DVD domination. It will take time though, obviously as BD could weather the storm, but only for so long.

If warner Goes BD exclusive we are looking at probably by CES that this thing will be over(by CES the war would be over, not WB will be exclusive by CES). Just no way HD DVD can compete with PAramount.DW and Uni with only Tosh making players (Onkyo repackaged Tosh doesnt count =)....)If by CES warner is BD exclusive the shear momentum of having virtually unanimous CE support, moreretail space and roughly 80% of home videos would effectively end this thing in the minds of all rationale human beings.

 


I think Blu-Ray would survive if Warner went Red. Even if Blu-Ray becamse niche in the US, Japan would still be fully Blu-Ray, and Sony Pictures would never support HD DVD. Continued sales of the ps3 would provide Blu-Ray with life for years to come in the US. The format will never die. It will probably maintain even more marketshare than Laserdisc did at the pinnacle of it's life.

And, if Warner went Red, Fox would probably start releasing more titles, much like they did after the Paramount deal. They keep delaying titles because of AACS and BD+, but they'll step up their releases if they face losing BD+ all together. An influx of Fox catalog titles would definitely counteract the weight of Warner, aside from the Dark Knight.

Edit: Also, I believe that Sony and Panasonic (the two major patent holders of Blu-Ray technology) would begin subsidizing players should Warner go exclusive and HD DVD really start to take off. They're not going to stand by idly and watch the war slip from within their grasp. Toshiba has been subsidizing players practically since the ps3 launched, and if HD DVD begins to become a major threat, then Sony and Panasonic will follow suit.

Toshiba has played the price card. They played it almost a year ago. The BDA, however, still has that card sitting in their deck.


Begin to subsidize players? Now you are twisting facts. They've been subsidizing at least one player since Nov 17th (I think), last year, which does count as beginning.

And considering the losses that one player is giving Sony, that means that card is already played.

This is not about proving HD-DVD will win. Blu-ray still has a lead. It's about getting facts straight. 



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makingmusic476 on 27 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
steverhcp02 said:
makingmusic476 said:
I all depends on Warner.

Warner has released roughly 30% of all HD movies on either format, as they are the only studio releasing large numbers of catalog titles consistently, and if they went to HD, Blu would have no chance of winning. Both would probably stalemate, but equal movie selection combined with cheaper HD DVD players would definitely keep Blu from reaching total victory. I don't think it would be enough for HD to win, however. Like I said, content would be equal on both sides (with a slight lean to HD, assuming Fox continues to sit on it's ass) but the ps3 effect, early adopters going dual format, and the continuing (though meager) sales of Blu-Ray standalones would turn this war into a stalemate, something that retailers and studios really don't want. Also, sales of Blu-Ray SAL players would pick up in a year or two when they drop to around $150 just like what happened with HD DVD.

If Warner went HD, at least Fox would start releasing more titles. It took the Paramount move for them to even release Independence Day.

If Warner went Blu, however, Blu-Ray would have almost 80% of studio marketshare from the last year, and more than 80% of the current HD releases exclusive to the format, and it would guarantee a win within a couple of years.
here is my take.

If warner goes HD DVD id guess HD DVD pulls it out sometime mid 2009. After then perhaps manufacturing costs would allow other CE's to actual make a profit on players, since Toshiba has single handedly destroyed any potential CE support for the near future. Plus, it will merely take I am Legend and the Dark Knight and bam, HD DVD domination. It will take time though, obviously as BD could weather the storm, but only for so long.

If warner Goes BD exclusive we are looking at probably by CES that this thing will be over(by CES the war would be over, not WB will be exclusive by CES). Just no way HD DVD can compete with PAramount.DW and Uni with only Tosh making players (Onkyo repackaged Tosh doesnt count =)....)If by CES warner is BD exclusive the shear momentum of having virtually unanimous CE support, moreretail space and roughly 80% of home videos would effectively end this thing in the minds of all rationale human beings.

 


I think Blu-Ray would survive if Warner went Red. Even if Blu-Ray becamse niche in the US, Japan would still be fully Blu-Ray, and Sony Pictures would never support HD DVD. Continued sales of the ps3 would provide Blu-Ray with life for years to come in the US. The format will never die. It will probably maintain even more marketshare than Laserdisc did at the pinnacle of it's life.

And, if Warner went Red, Fox would probably start releasing more titles, much like they did after the Paramount deal. They keep delaying titles because of AACS and BD+, but they'll step up their releases if they face losing BD+ all together. An influx of Fox catalog titles would definitely counteract the weight of Warner, aside from the Dark Knight.

Edit: Also, I believe that Sony and Panasonic (the two major patent holders of Blu-Ray technology) would begin subsidizing players should Warner go exclusive and HD DVD really start to take off. They're not going to stand by idly and watch the war slip from within their grasp. Toshiba has been subsidizing players practically since the ps3 launched, and if HD DVD begins to become a major threat, then Sony and Panasonic will follow suit.

Toshiba has played the price card. They played it almost a year ago. The BDA, however, still has that card sitting in their deck.


Begin to subsidize players? Now you are twisting facts. They've been subsidizing at least one player since Nov 17th (I think), last year, which does count as beginning.

And considering the losses that one player is giving Sony, that means that card is already played.

This is not about proving HD-DVD will win. Blu-ray still has a lead. It's about getting facts straight.


Indeed. I did forget about subsidizing the ps3. However, the BDA does not consist solely of Sony. Panasonic holds more Blu-Ray patents than Sony does, and they are the first company to get a 1.1 player on the market. They have just as much incentive to keep Blu-Ray alive as Sony does, if not more, and they could easily begin subsidizing their players at some point in the future, should HD DVD begin to take the lead.



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LordTheNightKnight on 27 November 2007
makingmusic476 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
steverhcp02 said:
makingmusic476 said:
I all depends on Warner.

Warner has released roughly 30% of all HD movies on either format, as they are the only studio releasing large numbers of catalog titles consistently, and if they went to HD, Blu would have no chance of winning. Both would probably stalemate, but equal movie selection combined with cheaper HD DVD players would definitely keep Blu from reaching total victory. I don't think it would be enough for HD to win, however. Like I said, content would be equal on both sides (with a slight lean to HD, assuming Fox continues to sit on it's ass) but the ps3 effect, early adopters going dual format, and the continuing (though meager) sales of Blu-Ray standalones would turn this war into a stalemate, something that retailers and studios really don't want. Also, sales of Blu-Ray SAL players would pick up in a year or two when they drop to around $150 just like what happened with HD DVD.

If Warner went HD, at least Fox would start releasing more titles. It took the Paramount move for them to even release Independence Day.

If Warner went Blu, however, Blu-Ray would have almost 80% of studio marketshare from the last year, and more than 80% of the current HD releases exclusive to the format, and it would guarantee a win within a couple of years.
here is my take.

If warner goes HD DVD id guess HD DVD pulls it out sometime mid 2009. After then perhaps manufacturing costs would allow other CE's to actual make a profit on players, since Toshiba has single handedly destroyed any potential CE support for the near future. Plus, it will merely take I am Legend and the Dark Knight and bam, HD DVD domination. It will take time though, obviously as BD could weather the storm, but only for so long.

If warner Goes BD exclusive we are looking at probably by CES that this thing will be over(by CES the war would be over, not WB will be exclusive by CES). Just no way HD DVD can compete with PAramount.DW and Uni with only Tosh making players (Onkyo repackaged Tosh doesnt count =)....)If by CES warner is BD exclusive the shear momentum of having virtually unanimous CE support, moreretail space and roughly 80% of home videos would effectively end this thing in the minds of all rationale human beings.

 


I think Blu-Ray would survive if Warner went Red. Even if Blu-Ray becamse niche in the US, Japan would still be fully Blu-Ray, and Sony Pictures would never support HD DVD. Continued sales of the ps3 would provide Blu-Ray with life for years to come in the US. The format will never die. It will probably maintain even more marketshare than Laserdisc did at the pinnacle of it's life.

And, if Warner went Red, Fox would probably start releasing more titles, much like they did after the Paramount deal. They keep delaying titles because of AACS and BD+, but they'll step up their releases if they face losing BD+ all together. An influx of Fox catalog titles would definitely counteract the weight of Warner, aside from the Dark Knight.

Edit: Also, I believe that Sony and Panasonic (the two major patent holders of Blu-Ray technology) would begin subsidizing players should Warner go exclusive and HD DVD really start to take off. They're not going to stand by idly and watch the war slip from within their grasp. Toshiba has been subsidizing players practically since the ps3 launched, and if HD DVD begins to become a major threat, then Sony and Panasonic will follow suit.

Toshiba has played the price card. They played it almost a year ago. The BDA, however, still has that card sitting in their deck.


Begin to subsidize players? Now you are twisting facts. They've been subsidizing at least one player since Nov 17th (I think), last year, which does count as beginning.

And considering the losses that one player is giving Sony, that means that card is already played.

This is not about proving HD-DVD will win. Blu-ray still has a lead. It's about getting facts straight.


Indeed. I did forget about subsidizing the ps3. However, the BDA does not consist solely of Sony. Panasonic holds more Blu-Ray patents than Sony does, and they are the first company to get a 1.1 player on the market. They have just as much incentive to keep Blu-Ray alive as Sony does, if not more, and they could easily begin subsidizing their players at some point in the future, should HD DVD begin to take the lead.


Now you are forgetting all the times you pointed out how Toshiba has little hardware support for HD-DVD, since they are the only ones subsidizing. This is another reason the card is not an option for the BDA right now.

Price is HD-DVD's advantage. Greater movie selection is blu-ray's advantage. 



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shams on 27 November 2007

Keep the thread running everyone - 666 posts and counting! :)



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LordTheNightKnight on 27 November 2007

669, dude.



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libellule on 27 November 2007

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-27-2007/0004711631&EDATE=


HD DVD Surpasses 750,000 Dedicated Players



Promotional Group announces record HD DVD hardware sales following Black
Friday

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Following landmark Black Friday
promotions through major retail chains, the North American HD DVD
Promotional Group today announced that sales of dedicated HD DVD players
exceeded the 750,000 mark. The data is based on retailer reports and other
point of sale data, and includes standalone set-top players as well as the
Xbox 360 HD DVD player.

"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers,"
said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for
Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD
Promotional Group. "With more than four weeks left for holiday shopping, HD
DVD is turning out to be a perfect consumer electronics gift."

HD DVD continues to step up marketing and education efforts, helping
consumers to see the quality and value of the new format. In addition to an
enhanced presence at major retailers, HD DVD has added educational sections
to its website at http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

About HD DVD

HD DVD is the next generation, post-DVD standard for high capacity,
high definition optical discs, approved by the DVD Forum, which develops
and defines DVD formats. Its more than 220 strong membership brings
together leaders in movies and entertainment, computing, consumer
electronics and software. HD DVD is fast becoming the primary visual medium
for the age of high-definition TV. The North American HD DVD Promotional
Group, Inc. is an organization established to promote the HD DVD format and
educate consumers in North America. For more information and a complete
listing of HD DVD titles please visit
http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

==> any informations about the BR sales ?
do you think the news entry price of the HD DVD player is the end of the BR ?



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ProfDallas on 27 November 2007

http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUSL2738108420071127

Blu-ray outsells HD-DVD format in Europe

LONDON (Reuters) - High definition movie DVDs in the Blu-ray format have outsold the rival HD DVD standard in Europe this year, breaking the 1 million barrier and constituting 73 percent of all HD movie discs sold.

Citing industry sales data, the Blu-ray disc association said in a statement on Tuesday Blu-ray movie disc sales had topped 1 million units and when counting Blu-ray gaming discs the total number produced for sale in Europe exceeded 21 million units.

Sony's PlayStation 3 game console includes a Blu-ray Disc drive.

Hollywood and electronics manufacturers are hoping that new high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and more capacity, will revive the slowing home DVD market.

But the launch of the next-generation DVD players has been complicated by the fact that there are two competing technologies available, Blu-ray and HD DVD.

HD DVD was developed by Toshiba Corp (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research) while Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) backs the Blu-ray standard.

Of the high definition movie discs bought by consumers so far this year in Europe, 73 percent were in the Blu-ray Disc format and 27 percent were HD DVD, according to sales data provided by Media Control Gfk International.

Blu-ray said the best selling titles were 300, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End.

Home Media Research said in October Blu-ray Disc DVD titles had outsold rival HD-DVD titles by almost two-to-one in the first nine months of the year in the United States.

(Reporting by Kate Holton; Editing by David Holmes)



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