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rocketpig on 04 July 2007
akuma587 said:
I gave the speed examples to show how many people in the tech industry can see that Blu-Ray is the no-brainer choice. HD-DVD has had a lot of trouble making burners that are able to do higher writing speeds because, what do you know, the R&D of HD-DVD wasn't as thorough as it should have been. The plastic layers of the disc are so thick that the laser has a lot of trouble doing what it needs to because of the dispersion. Blu-Ray has a thinner plastic layer which severely lessens the problem (and is more scratch resistant to boot because of the Durabis lining they developed).

I didn't mean anything personal with my post, I just really don't see ANY tech support for HD-DVD except the floundering Toshiba (the only HD-DVD player maker because no one else will get in the market because Toshiba subsidizes their players) who is putting HD-DVD players in their laptops. Microsoft isn't doing much at all anymore to help out HD-DVD since it is pretty much convinced that the format is going to die and that downloads are the way to go in the future anyways. Blu-Ray actually has disc drives being manufactured by multiple companies (just look on Amazon), along with burners, and along with a decent supply of blank discs for sale. Several companies are offering Blu-Ray players in their computers now as well.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think Blu-Ray has the advantage right now. But it's nearly a non-issue at this point given adoption rates. And more than Toshiba is making drives, NEC and Buffalo also make them. It was a two minute search so there might be others (NewEgg was not cooperating with my search).

A quick search told me that HP is also offering HD-DVD. I didn't bother searching further since I know Dell and Apple are in the Blu-Ray camp (though Apple seems reluctant). MS only offered their HD-DVD player to thwart Sony. They don't want either format to win and they never did, they released the player to cause confusion.

Like I keep saying, the tech industry hasn't really bought into anything yet. They seem to be sitting on their hands waiting for time to pass until it becomes profitable for them to enter.




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akuma587 on 04 July 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
akuma587 said:
Wow, people are still using the HD-DVD name argument. Honestly, I think the name causes more confusion than good. Some people think you can play them in your regular DVD player and end up buying them only to return them later, and the "combo-discs" designed to entice consumers really do nothing but hurt them in the end by making them pay extra for something they don't need.

When someone says Blu-Ray, there is less confusion, because at least the majority of people know it is a next-gen format. They at least know it is different from DVD, which might get them asking questions.

How do you know the majority of people know that? You don't, unless you have a link to some actual surveys.

Granted I myself have seen a person at Wal-Mart returning a Blu-Ray disc because they didnt understand HD, but I have heard many more examples of this for HD-DVD.  From all sources, anecdotal and random news write-ups because that is all there is to go off of as far as I can tell, the Blu-Ray name is less confusing for consumers.  I don't think anyone has taken a survey, so I can't give you something that isn't there.

 I do agree with rocketpig that both formats have yet to takeoff, I just don't see anything that can reinvigorate the HD-DVD campaign.  Even if it is just a war of attrition, Blu-Ray will win since it is already ahead.  With things like the Blockbuster decision happening too, it is HD-DVD's war to lose.



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rocketpig on 04 July 2007
akuma587 said:

I do agree with rocketpig that both formats have yet to takeoff, I just don't see anything that can reinvigorate the HD-DVD campaign.  Even if it is just a war of attrition, Blu-Ray will win since it is already ahead.  With things like the Blockbuster decision happening too, it is HD-DVD's war to lose.


IMO, the only real thing that can push HD-DVD toward a win is price. If they hit $100 players in holiday 2008 while Blu-Ray sits at $200-250, they might be able to pull it off. Maybe even a $200 player this holiday vs. a $350 Blu-Ray player will jump their sales a fair amount.

But, like I said, it's nearly a non-issue. Until the standalone players (for the love of God, don't bring up the PS3 sales anyone, they don't impact much in the long run) start selling in the millions per year, this ain't gonna matter one bit.




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davygee on 04 July 2007
rocketpig said:
akuma587 said:

I do agree with rocketpig that both formats have yet to takeoff, I just don't see anything that can reinvigorate the HD-DVD campaign. Even if it is just a war of attrition, Blu-Ray will win since it is already ahead. With things like the Blockbuster decision happening too, it is HD-DVD's war to lose.


IMO, the only real thing that can push HD-DVD toward a win is price. If they hit $100 players in holiday 2008 while Blu-Ray sits at $200-250, they might be able to pull it off. Maybe even a $200 player this holiday vs. a $350 Blu-Ray player will jump their sales a fair amount.

But, like I said, it's nearly a non-issue. Until the standalone players (for the love of God, don't bring up the PS3 sales anyone, they don't impact much in the long run) start selling in the millions per year, this ain't gonna matter one bit.


HD-DVD need to get the backing of more studios as well....it like the PS3 situation.  They need to lower prices, but need the software to back it up.

HD-DVD players have always been cheaper than BluRay, but the prices are now starting to come seriously down to a level where people could start picking it up.  Although as has been mentioned by a few on here...it is very early days yet and it may be another 2-3 years away before people start buying into the whole HD thing.  Although it seems that prices are coming down quicker for HD than normal DVD. 



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Tispower on 04 July 2007

In reference to the tech industry, I have yet to see HD-DVD burners offered on websites that sell computer parts. www.scan.co.uk is a major company (in the UK) that sells parts for PC builders, and last time I checked they only sold Blu-Ray drives.

Have a look at this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=625330

Yes, I know it hasn't come to market yet, but when you have a £160 (I know that's over $300, but our tech prices are inflated) Blu-Ray player for your PC, chances are it's going to be adopted pretty well, especially as PC monitors have always (as far as I can tell) been better resolution than TVs, and with screens that can now display about 1600 x 1000 pixels, which is virtually full HD, people won't need to buy a new TV. They can just get a Blu-Ray drive for their PC, as I'm sure within 2 years, that kinda resolution will be the norm.

So where's the HD-DVD players for you PC then? No where to be seen....

Another site: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120884 that only sells Blu-Ray.

Btw, I looked through HP UK and couldn't find anything about HD disk formats.



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ckmlb on 05 July 2007

More good Blu-Ray news:

European Blu Ray sales up 1000% since the PS3's launch there.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/05/euro-blu-ray-sales-up-1000-since-ps3-launch/

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced (via Pro-G) that more than 180,000 Blu-Ray titles have been sold across Europe following a sales increase of over 1000% since the PlayStation 3's launch in March of this year.

 



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LordTheNightKnight on 06 July 2007
ckmlb said:

More good Blu-Ray news:

European Blu Ray sales up 1000% since the PS3's launch there.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/05/euro-blu-ray-sales-up-1000-since-ps3-launch/

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced (via Pro-G) that more than 180,000 Blu-Ray titles have been sold across Europe following a sales increase of over 1000% since the PlayStation 3's launch in March of this year.

 


 Well considering the amount of PS3s sold there, and the fact that blu-ray movies are far more available than PS3 software, at least at the moment, this is hardly shocking news.



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z64dan on 06 July 2007
Tispower said:
In reference to the tech industry, I have yet to see HD-DVD burners offered on websites that sell computer parts. www.scan.co.uk is a major company (in the UK) that sells parts for PC builders, and last time I checked they only sold Blu-Ray drives.

Have a look at this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=625330

Yes, I know it hasn't come to market yet, but when you have a £160 (I know that's over $300, but our tech prices are inflated) Blu-Ray player for your PC, chances are it's going to be adopted pretty well, especially as PC monitors have always (as far as I can tell) been better resolution than TVs, and with screens that can now display about 1600 x 1000 pixels, which is virtually full HD, people won't need to buy a new TV. They can just get a Blu-Ray drive for their PC, as I'm sure within 2 years, that kinda resolution will be the norm.

So where's the HD-DVD players for you PC then? No where to be seen....

Another site: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120884 that only sells Blu-Ray.

Btw, I looked through HP UK and couldn't find anything about HD disk formats.

http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10060800304 - $185 HD-DVD PC Drive
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=344527&ref=froogle&pfp=froogle&cm_ven=froogle&cm_cat=&cm_pla=&cm_ite=feed - same thing (??), $250

anyway, the whole PC thing doesn't really matter anyway. Who watches movies on their PC?? (besides people who sit in front of their PC for alot of the day like us?) It's much better to watch movies on the big screen!

Also, why would you burn a Blu-ray disc, when it takes 30 minutes to burn it, and each disc costs $12?? Who needs to burn 25 gigs? NOBODY! And if you DID need to burn 25 gigs, just use 3 DVDs instead. Its 10x faster and 10x cheaper.

ckmlb said:
More good Blu-Ray news:
European Blu Ray sales up 1000% since the PS3's launch there.
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced (via Pro-G) that more than 180,000 Blu-Ray titles have been sold across Europe following a sales increase of over 1000% since the PlayStation 3's launch in March of this year.

So uhhh that means they originally sold only 180 titles, right?



leo-j on 06 July 2007

I agree with the poepl here, if dvd doesnt get discontinued then blu-ray will never win the format war but end up loosing with the hd dvd format,even though they have nearly taken hd dvd out of the picture.



 

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Saiyar on 06 July 2007
z64dan said:
Tispower said:
In reference to the tech industry, I have yet to see HD-DVD burners offered on websites that sell computer parts. www.scan.co.uk is a major company (in the UK) that sells parts for PC builders, and last time I checked they only sold Blu-Ray drives.

Have a look at this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=625330

Yes, I know it hasn't come to market yet, but when you have a £160 (I know that's over $300, but our tech prices are inflated) Blu-Ray player for your PC, chances are it's going to be adopted pretty well, especially as PC monitors have always (as far as I can tell) been better resolution than TVs, and with screens that can now display about 1600 x 1000 pixels, which is virtually full HD, people won't need to buy a new TV. They can just get a Blu-Ray drive for their PC, as I'm sure within 2 years, that kinda resolution will be the norm.

So where's the HD-DVD players for you PC then? No where to be seen....

Another site: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120884 that only sells Blu-Ray.

Btw, I looked through HP UK and couldn't find anything about HD disk formats.

http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10060800304 - $185 HD-DVD PC Drive
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=344527&ref=froogle&pfp=froogle&cm_ven=froogle&cm_cat=&cm_pla=&cm_ite=feed - same thing (??), $250

anyway, the whole PC thing doesn't really matter anyway. Who watches movies on their PC?? (besides people who sit in front of their PC for alot of the day like us?) It's much better to watch movies on the big screen!

Also, why would you burn a Blu-ray disc, when it takes 30 minutes to burn it, and each disc costs $12?? Who needs to burn 25 gigs? NOBODY! And if you DID need to burn 25 gigs, just use 3 DVDs instead. Its 10x faster and 10x cheaper.

ckmlb said:
More good Blu-Ray news:
European Blu Ray sales up 1000% since the PS3's launch there.
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced (via Pro-G) that more than 180,000 Blu-Ray titles have been sold across Europe following a sales increase of over 1000% since the PlayStation 3's launch in March of this year.

So uhhh that means they originally sold only 180 titles, right?


no, it means they orinally sold 18,000. Still not impr4esive tho