Don't MS and Sony do the exact same thing as Nintendo with VC? Exactly why is this unique to Nintendo?
Don't MS and Sony do the exact same thing as Nintendo with VC? Exactly why is this unique to Nintendo?
| Impulsivity said: Every time they rerelease star wars (DVD, Blu Ray in the future) they add features and digitally remaster it so you do get something. When looking at VC games they are identical to the game I played 20 years ago in just about every way. I can't see that they added anything to make it worth paying for again, if someone else sees something then great. As far as being a thief, I have never downloaded a single game or piece of software that wasn't at least a decade old. I have never stolen anything that has any real world value either. To be honest the copyright law in the US is just silly when it comes to electronic IP and is designed not to benefit developers but rather big companies with plenty of money. Why in the world should electronic games/software be copyrighted for 70 years? That makes 0 sense, I mean even life saving medications which matter far more are only copyrighted (patented) for 15 years. To say that downloading Super Mario Bros 3 (which I owned when it was new, probably in the trash somewhere since it's...you know...20 years old) is the same as downloading Half Life 2 is missing the point. There is no good arguement for downloading a new game you haven't bought, there is really no good arguement for saying that downloading a 15 years old game is wrong. The idea that we should have to pay over 10 dollars for things that have long since paid for themselves is a falsehood I don't really perscribe to. I am sure some people have hundreds of dollars just sitting there and would love to pay for everything at full price, even things from before they were born, but that's not me.
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Honestly, I would pay more for the Starwars movies if they didn't add any "value" to them ... The bonus features, additional special effects, and super-duper directors cuts make the movies far worse.
Beyond that, nothing has any value beyond what people are willing to pay ... That is a fundimental rule of capatalism; nothing that is popular on a wide scale can really be considered too expensive. Arguing that you "shouldn't" have to pay a certain ammount of money is foolish and doesn't make any sense.
For me, and a large portion of people who are old enough and have jobs, $10 is a tiny cost to get (in many cases) 8 to 16+ hours of entertainment from a game; when you compare that to the $60 you spend for 8 to 16+ hours of entertainment you get from most HD games it is a massive bargain.
@Impulsivty
1st off using your argument that cutting edge makes value. Understand this. Yeah, I was impressed with the movies of FF VII but I was more impressed with the actual game play footage and speed of Panzer Dragoon. Technically using Cutting Edge as an argument I would say that Sega Saturn was the biggest value of it's time. It had multiple processors for graphics and sound, came with built in RAM and had a cartridge slot for additional RAM or with the right cartridge you could play import games and you could also play games on the internet. Also, you think in to narrow terms when you think cutting edge. It's all about graphics and movies for you.(Seems that way seeing as to how you seem to mention them alot) But what you and other's fail to see that the Wii is cutting edge in it's own way. The controls, the ability to play a game like Wii Fit and Wii Ski at home. I don't know but I don't believe that it was possible before. You had to be at an arcade to do that and then yeah you can legally download games from older systems and play them. So you see the PS3 and the Wii are both cutting edge it's just that they do it in different ways and the Wii seems more appealing at the moment.
Boycotting the following:
1. Yoshi: He ate my car and spit out a toaster.
2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.
3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.
4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games. If that were the case they'd own a PS3.
5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.
6. Boycotts: Their so lame.
| Impulsivity said: Kasz, I can find no mention on anything about virtual console that implies that the development teams are paid in any way. I would be very very surprised if the dev teams were paid since that is very uncommon even with new games (except for the higher ups). Most of the programers, designers and the like don't get any royalties.
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No no... I do have a moral highground. You're just too caught up in your self justifications to realize it.
You'd be better off admitting what you are doing rather then try and rationalize it.

Hmmm I notice a lot of people complaining that the Wii's Price is too high and a rip off, well let me see how much it's worth when taking into account prices for accesories on other systems.
I will assume the Wii is nothing more than Gamecube hardware (which it isn't).
Start price point $99
oh a game is included! +$50
Free wifi, $100 on the 360.
wham $250 already!.
add in...
the flash memory
full backwards compatability
the Virtual Console
Free online
Wii controls.
more hardware power
various channels and all new nintendo games
and you have quite the deal in my opinion.
| FishyJoe said: Don't MS and Sony do the exact same thing as Nintendo with VC? Exactly why is this unique to Nintendo? |
I didn't say it was! I didn't bring up VC as a knock on Nintendo, someone up top said something about being able to enjoy games from a wide scale of platforms on the Wii as a selling point to which i pointed out you have been able to do that on any PC (Mac, Windows, Linux) for years.
As to the PS3 or Xbox versions I feel the same way. I DO pay for games from Sony's download service, but only new original games (pixeljunk monsters, Flow, Super Stardust ect.) because I want them to make more of those games, and I know buying them actually matters. I also have bought a handful of PS1 games because I can play them on my PSP (if they added, say, DS on the go functionality that might makt it worth paying) and because they aren't nearly as old as the NES ROMs. I just downloaded castlevania (paid for it) but that was only a 9 year old game from a semi curent system.
I don't think that Wiiware is stupid, thats a great idea. It has worked well on the PS3 having small scale original content and it will probably work well on the Wii too. I do not say that spending money on all software or even all old software is stupid, just stuff that is so old that it is obsolete 10 times over. This idea that we should pay for everything often multiple times because of IP law is just silly. It's not my fault my NES stopped working in 1992.
Incidentally a PS1 game often costs less on the PS3 then a NES game does on the Wii...thats quite a bit off from the way it should be.
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Impulsivity said:
I didn't say it was! I didn't bring up VC as a knock on Nintendo, someone up top said something about being able to enjoy games from a wide scale of platforms on the Wii as a selling point to which i pointed out you have been able to do that on any PC (Mac, Windows, Linux) for years. As to the PS3 or Xbox versions I feel the same way. I DO pay for games from Sony's download service, but only new original games (pixeljunk monsters, Flow, Super Stardust ect.) because I want them to make more of those games, and I know buying them actually matters. I also have bought a handful of PS1 games because I can play them on my PSP (if they added, say, DS on the go functionality that might makt it worth paying) and because they aren't nearly as old as the NES ROMs. I just downloaded castlevania (paid for it) but that was only a 9 year old game from a semi curent system. I don't think that Wiiware is stupid, thats a great idea. It has worked well on the PS3 having small scale original content and it will probably work well on the Wii too. I do not say that spending money on all software or even all old software is stupid, just stuff that is so old that it is obsolete 10 times over. This idea that we should pay for everything often multiple times because of IP law is just silly. It's not my fault my NES stopped working in 1992. |
Are you sure? Mine still works. Also Nintendo still serviced then till like 2003.

I even bought a new SNES version in 1993, the SNES looking version is the one that failed the second time, the first one failed, was repaired, and failed again in 1992.
Are you really argueing for keeping every system and every game ever instead of being able to download the same game you owned and put it on your hardware? I don't think I could fit the games I've bought over 20 years in anything less then a storage room (at least 8 by 8) stacked floor to cealing (unless I took the CDs out of their cases and just stacked them without any materials)
PSN ID: ChosenOne feel free to add me
| axumblade said: Eh. Only thing I find wrong with the statement is that he was trying to sell the PS3 as a blu-ray player instead of a gaming console. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all take turns bashing each others systems. What else is new? |
Nintendo has taken the high road for the past two generations rarely, if ever, bashing their opponents. Nintendo outright mocking rivals is rare even through their history. About the most prominant time they did was when the game Uniracers featured a moment of mockery against Sonic the Hedgehog, and even that was pretty high-spirited.
They've been perfectly happy, especially for the last two generations, just hocking their wares quietly while Sony and MS wage ugly PR attacks on each other.
Even Donkey Kong Country's advertisements, while taking jabs at the competition, didn't outright slander them--it simply announced that the game was "NOT on SEGA" and "NOT on SONY," and could only be found on the SNES.
Why not. I still have all my systems and yeah they are packed away with the games included and what we are saying is it's illegal, you know it, and your just trying to justify being.... a thief.... kinda like somebody trying to justify shooting people because of a bad childhood or worse yet a VG made them do it.
Boycotting the following:
1. Yoshi: He ate my car and spit out a toaster.
2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.
3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.
4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games. If that were the case they'd own a PS3.
5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.
6. Boycotts: Their so lame.