Those are hardcore gamers. Rol is talking about core gamers.

in my opinion, it is hurting it short term, but it will benefit it long term.

in short term, it's getting more casual gamers, and therefore, publishers release games geared toward the casuals.

but in the long term, it's getting more hardcore gamers. younger kids who start on the wii, may end up owning a 360, a PS3, or a gaming PC (or may buy the next xbox or the next playstation). Even casual gamers who arn't young, may still end up buying one of these. Such as older people who have been introduced to gaming, they may actually like it, and may become hardcore gamers (though i believe that this won't happen nearly as much as with younger kids).
This may also happen to Female gamers. i'm not saying there arn't hardcore Female gamers, as there some female members on vgchartz, but in comparison to Males, there's a lot less.

this is a stupid thread, who is Nintendo hurting hardcord gamers.

The Wii will benefit the hardcore the same as the DS is.

If you have had a DS since its launch, you will have known the DROUGHT of games for it in its first years, as well as its shovelware and games that only take advantage of its second screen and touchpad. "Hardcore" gamers bought a PSP because they thought of a DS as gimmicky and a fad.

Well look at it now. The DS is THE gaming handheld with the best games. It has countless games for all gamers, casuals and "hardcore" alike. The Wii will be this way in a few years time as well. Developers are taking advantage of its controls much like the DS, but once they finally get their heads out of their regions, they will realize it will be THE console to have games on.

Another example: The Ps2 had the biggest lineup of shovelware and crap games, but it was THE console to have for all of the best games. It didnt come out of the gate with all of the exclusives, it took time and only got better. The Wii will be the same.

The hardcore will be weeded out from the core and left to die as the decade goes on.
These hardcore are soon going to face reality and will have to "suck it down" John Romero style.
These people are going to be the new Atari-tards who left gaming and who continue to blame Nintendo for "killing their hobby" to this day.

Hawkeye: "I view the Wii as a sidestep Nintendo had to take to dodge being marginalized... so while it was important for surival, this step sideways doesn't really offer anything superior to GC, just different."

^^I agree with you Hawkeye, Nintendo did this more out of necessity than the desire to be creative.  Had they continued on the road that Sony and MS were on, they would have been crippled as a company.  They had to change it up.  Nor do I think motion controls are the way to go or the new standard now.  I still prefer traditional controls.  Motion controls don't make traditional obsolete, they only offer a new way.  I think perhaps that's why I don't respect their new approach as much as some. 

And also, I believe Sony will change it up next time.  We've never seen them in a bad position, and I think they will respond well.

I don't get how people still think this. You mean to say that you don't already own 1-3 DVD players? Really?? I own three that aren't crammed into video game systems, I don't need the Wii to have one. It's just unnecessary extra crap that would've raised the price.  Especially pointless since the Wii doesn't use DVD as a storage medium anyway. The Wii optical disks are, essentially, rip-off DVD disks so Nintendo wouldn't have to deal with paying to use the DVD medium.

People who buy it and then never use it again aren't not-playing the Wii because of the lack of a DVD player.  That's foolhardy thinking. 

There was ample reason not to include a DVD movie player in the Wii:

Cost--it would've raised the price.  Somewhat incompatible hardware--the Wii isn't built to read DVD's, it's built to read it's DVD knock-off disks.  Wear-n-tear--according to Nintendo, using the regular Wii drive to read DVD disks would wear out the laser and/or motor in record time.  Unnecessary--everybody already has DVD players in one form or another.  As I said, I have three already.  One is a 5-disk surround-sound unit, one is a DVD/VHS machine, and one is built into my computer.  There is actually a fourth that we gave to my mother-in-law.  When I get an Xbox360, I'll have yet another unnecessary DVD player.  I can guarantee that I will only be using the X360 for games and not movies.  Focus--it was smart for Nintendo to not put a DVD movie player in the Wii so people (especially the new Blue Ocean group) wouldn't be confused about using the machine.  It is very simply, and very clearly one thing and one thing only--a game machine.  Sony hurt themselves with the PS3 by marketing it as a Blu-Ray player rather than a game machine.  Those consumers who bought it to play high-def movies aren't helping Sony's games division since they're money isn't going to purchase video games. 

I find it funny how people say that the Wii will become a great hardcore gaming system like the DS. The problem is that most hardcore gamers I know (myself included) have no interest in rehashed Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon and Castlevania sequels. Neither is there any hardcore interest in "games" like Brain Age, Nintendogs, etc... The only compelling software on the DS, for me anyway, are a handful of unique titles like Elite Beat Agents and adventure games like Hotel Dusk. I will always stand by the notion that the PSP offers far more games for hardcore gamers such as Crush, Patapon, Loco Roco and Syphon Filter.

Well I guess it does hurt me but that's out of the question... or is it?

Well anyway i'd say my part on why hurts me.

Wii is cheaper than the 2 and makes it easier to save for.

Problem is I'm bombarded with games than don't actually appeal much to me or either makes me want to play solitaire instead(Wii Play, Wii Sports, Wii Fit and other things like that not to mention Nintendogz).

I got 5 games listed that I want to play once I get a Wii and that's just not enough to justify my purchase. But if majority of the games I'd like to see on PS360 goes to wii then I'd be damned. I'd quit gaming forever. Or better yet just stick to handheld gaming.

This is just an OPINION please don't bash me. :|

You're definitly speaking for yourself.  Any hardcore gamer who isn't interested in Mario Galaxy can hardly call himself hardcore.  Good lord, the final fight against Bowser makes that game worth the price alone.

I'm quite the hardcore gamer and I love Brain Age. But I also love Contra 4 and Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword and Advance Wars: Days of Ruin.  I also love the Genesis I just bought and the fairly large back-catalog of titles I still own and the shmup genre in general.  Though, I've always loathed Pokemon, and the only reason my interest has waned in Zelda is because Nintendo has relied too heavily on that franchise without trying hard enough to come up with original plots.

When you say that the PSP offers more hardcore games, you're actually showing it's limitations--that's all that has.  The DS on the other hand, has a much, much wider variety of titles--not just hardcore games that are mostly ports of pre-existing PS2 titles.