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MikeB said:

IMO graphics artists should be given credit for the impressive work they are doing. Modern Zelda games are also good examples of games offering good graphics. I think the main reason for this thread is the XBox 360 and PS3 offer by far more artistic freedom to development teams, a fact Nintendo fans may dislike. Everything in terms of graphics created on the Wii can technically be reproduced on the higher specced systems, only there an option for games developers to go beyond the technical boundaries the Nintendo Wii allows
 No, as he already stated, the reason for this thread is to see if your first and past experiences in gaming affect your view about how important graphic is. The age factor is added because you can imagine that the younger people will most likely have their first game played with better graphic than people older than them. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what it is.

 

As for me, I think even for a great game, a certain quality to the graphic is required. It maybe just me but I can't stand playing some NES games even though back then they were very popular. (FF1) To a certain extent, graphic does add gameplay but only to a certain extent. (I believe the sentences in this paragraph have been repeated a lot of time already but what ever). Well, actually, this is kind of off topic.

 

As for the age matter, I can't really agree or disagree. Yes, I do think it does do something but in another way, I also think it depends on one's expectation. (Mine is low so graphic from SNES generation is enough for me to be happy, with great gameplay though) I'm not going to deny the fact that I prefer better graphic however, and it's one of the most important things in choosing the game. (You look at the cover first afterall) 



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I think age plays a certain factor, but not nearly as important as insecurity. Hear me out on this: Gaming, even back when the PSone made it mainstream, has always been seen as a "nerdy" hobby. I think the people who feel the social affects of this (or are worried it will affect their social lives) tend to care more about having something "cool" to show off that it's not such a nerdy thing. Big pretty pictures are something that any outside force can look at and say "ooh that looks great." Then the gamer can validate his purchase and his decision through the impression he can make.

I think this also is the reason high school kids all refuse to play anything without unrealistic gore and violence. It's more defensible to the "popular" crowd. So yeah, I'd say that the graphics matter the most to the socially insecure. This often overlaps with the age argument though, because who is more socially insecure than 13-25 year old boys? Adults never have this issue, and don't feel the need to defend their actions or justify them with social norms, therefore you rarely see an adult afraid to pick up and play a Viva Pinata or a Pokemon game, but you would never get a high school kid to do so. Graphics are just part of the desire for social acceptance of gaming as a hobby.



Regarding ages I think younghters can enjoy Mario Bros, Tetris and many other classics as much as older people can.

However once you've played better versions, for instance after playing Super Mario World the original Super Mario Bros feels a lot less special. IMO this goes for gamers of all ages, however for those who've grown up with certain games they may have fond memories of, people may experience additional nostalgic feelings replaying their oldtime favourites. The same goes with regard to movies and other things, they may also better suit what people have grown to like. For instance I like many music from the 80s, while I don't really like many of the new songs my kid sister likes to listen to.

Younger kids can vividly enjoy themselves playing on their parent's Amigas, Snes, c64, etc. But often around puberty they want to fit in with more mature people or at least they pick games what they think is mature gaming. For instance, Gears does not have the wow factor for me. For me such a game requires more depth (no "Boom Boom", like those stupid Boomers say or ultra macho shallow comments from the 'heros' making the game a lot less realistic and appealing for me), a well done story line, etc. IMO Gears' design is mostly geared towards adolescents.

Gears IMO is a bit like what A-team was in the past.



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MikeB said:
Regarding ages I think younghters can enjoy Mario Bros, Tetris and many other classics as much as older people can.

However once you've played better versions, for instance Super Mario World the original Super Mario Bros feels a lot less special. IMO this goes for gamers of all ages, however for those who've grown up with certain games they may have fond memories of, people may experience additional nostalgic feelings replaying their oldtime favourites. The same goes with regard to movies and other things, they may also better suit what people have grown to like. For instance I like many music from the 80s, while I don't really like many of the new songs my kid sister likes to listen to.

Younger kids can vividly enjoy themselves playing on their parent's Amigas, Snes, c64, etc. But often around puberity they want to fit in with more mature people or at least they pick games what they think is mature gaming. For instance, Gears does not have the wow factor for me. For me such a game requires more depth (no "Boom Boom", like those stupid Boomers say or ultra mucho shallow comments from the 'heros' making the game a lot less realistic and appealing for me), a well done story line, etc. IMO Gears' design is mostly geared towards adolescents.

I agree, read what I posted above.  I think this sort of game is appealing to the adolescent males looking for that sort of social acceptance.  The adult and child gamers though tend to just gravitate towards whatever they enjoy.



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No, as he already stated, the reason for this thread is to see if your first and past experiences in gaming affect your view about how important graphic is.


Yes, I may be influenced by past discussions with regard to this topic. Often in such discussions Nintendo fans claim the best graphics are really irrelevant, but it's of course an important reason why people are upgrading to newer consoles and better PC specs (next to other enhancements like more complex virtual environments).



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StarcraftManiac said:
godf said:
I think the way 12-21 year old boys in the west, tend to think about computer games in a way that can make graphics more important to them. And it's this group that's also most keen to avoid nintendo style 'kiddie graphics'.

I think a lot of this group can still feel a bit insecure about enjoying computer games, and 'cool graphics' are somthing that can be quickly and easily appreciated by people who don't play games, and sound a lot less nerdy than taking the time to explain why leveling up your RPG character is so important to you.

That is a REALLY BAD WAY too look at it!

 

I'm 15... (So that puts me right in the middle of your 'group') And i ONLY play on Nintendo consoles... Cause they make the games i like most, period! Graphics are good enough for me on Wii and NGC... Have u ever played TP?! The Details man!... gorgious! Sunset on hyrule plains! Who needs a 360 for graphics... ...  And i still buy good budget Cube games (... Yesterday i bought beyond good and evil for 7.95 Euro's)

But eerhm... Just to conclude this misunderstanding of yours... 6 guys in my class (im in highschool... 4th year) own a Wii... Whereas one has a 360 cause his brother wanted FPS games and NONE has a PS3.... Cause it's too expensive and has way less games on storeshelves! (Btw: Here in Holland PS3 hasn't nearly got ANY shelvespace)

Btw: Yes... I'm from Western Europe... So that makes this post legit.

While you make fair points (and again, like you I disagree with the hypothesis) you must remember that a sample size of you and some friends has no statistical validity (though it does add to the increasing pile of annecdotal evidence).

 



For the record, I would think that graphics matter. I mean, it makes sense that people are superficial and therefore prefer better-looking games, right?

Wrong. Gaming history has shown us far too many console wars where the graphically inferior console wins EVERY SINGLE TIME.

PS1 vs. N64
PS2 vs. GC and Xbox
Gameboy vs. Gamegear
DS vs. PSP

It doesn't honestly make sense to me, either.

But history has SHOWN, time and time again, that customers just don't value graphics enough to allow it to affect their decision-making when it comes to console purchases.



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Smash_Brother said:
For the record, I would think that graphics matter. I mean, it makes sense that people are superficial and therefore prefer better-looking games, right?

Wrong. Gaming history has shown us far too many console wars where the graphically inferior console wins EVERY SINGLE TIME.

PS1 vs. N64
PS2 vs. GC and Xbox
Gameboy vs. Gamegear
DS vs. PSP

It doesn't honestly make sense to me, either.

But history has SHOWN, time and time again, that customers just don't value graphics enough to allow it to affect their decision-making when it comes to console purchases.
True. Very true. Money is the #1 factor. Reason why about 80% of all PS2s sold were bought at 199 or less, in NA anyway.

 



Graphics does matter. Usually good epic games have both graphics and gameplay. However graphics does not matter so much that a crappy game is played only for its good looks (FF VIII contradicts all this, I know). I do not see things as a trade-off between graphics and gameplay. RE4, Zelda, Onimusha, Half Life 2 TP have both.

If I was faced with a "chose-only-one" option, gameplay would be the winner. All the above examples are that great for their gaming experiences and not eye candy.

Regarding graphics I think they can only enhance the game experience to a certain degree. Like someone said in a previous post, a pretty game gets old fast without good gameplay. Example: You may add dozens of details in a game like GTA, detailed T-shirts for passerbys, glass and water reflecting things, fingernails, beards and moustaches made of individual hair polygons, nose hair, thousands of random lines for NPCs to say, still that would not improve the game the same way GTA 3 improved GTA 2. Resident Evil 4 is not that much good loking than RE 0 or RE remake, but the gameplay experience make them look as games from different developers.



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after playing the wii all weekend long for the 1st time ever...graphics do not matter at all...with that being said... graphics do matter..lol



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