Yea, it is defenitly one of my top 10 games, I love the series and I am sad to see it end =(

Agreed, it hits you emotionally like no other games have. Great graphics and a "solid" end to the series we all love.

 he is not trolling at all. You would be the fanboy for this leo.

Only problem i have is that he says best graphics (crysis still better but mgs4 is still one of the top best looking games) and best shooter? No way in flipping hell.

I fantastic game, and definitly contender for game of the year and contender game of the generation IMO. Not quite best ever (top 10 def)

only problem i have with your list is the best shooter part. its good but it has flawed controls in terms of control for around corners and shooting is good but not close to best

@Leetgeek bud, I agree with you 100%
With respect to all the people that are complaining about the long cut scenes.
I LOVED them, and well this is my opinion, but I think MGS4 is so amazing because of them. Coz the cut scenes create an incredible sense of involvement and immersion as they tell one of the best stories that I have ever seen, in a movie, book or video game. The cut scenes inspire me to play through the game to reach them and most importantly, it totally involves me with the character of snake, hell he's almost like a real life inspiration to me now. For all the people who are clamoring for less cut scenes, well they can just go and play any of the hundreds of shooters out there, thanks to Kojima san for creating such a unique and inspiring piece of art.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4

A must see for everyone. Granted He seems to have similar disdain for most games this generation though really that speaks more about the kind of games the market is willing to settle for as AAA quality this era in gaming.

Penny Arcade's similar review of the game seems to suggest that the game's love from fans lies largely in its presentation and overall ambiguity as a game. Disect the game as individual parts and its easily to see much of it is nothing impressive, in fact, arguably dissapointing, however slap it together in a fancy presentation and even the most reserved gamer will second guess their reservations on the game. But that's just my sumation of the situation.

Either way it is refreshing to see people actually sharing their opinions of the game's value which is all too often equated to such abstracts as its benefit to PS3 or its sales. So much talk about this game would suggest it wasn't even a game people personally liked but rather saw as an avatar for Sony or the PS3 worth defending. I'm glad to see people voicing actual opinions of the game's quality and value. While the thread itself is a bit slanted as a forum for objective discussion it was in all fairness never intended to be such and a more open ended discussion would have no doubt ensued in more nitpicking of the game typical of most discussion already seen on Vgchartz.

@shio play it before you comment. If you missed it he was talking about the full presentation and not just the polygon or the physics engine.
Having played both i agree. (even though i'm only in act 4 in mgs4..) Metal Gear Solid has a better atmospheric feel and overall graphical presentation than crysis in my opinion. It draws you in a lot more.

Also regarding cutscenes some people like them. I know i do.
No i won't go watch a movie instead because this is a game, it just has a lot of videofeed during the game... and it actually breaks the gameplay up in a phenomenal way. I suggest you try to actually play metal gear solid 4 before commenting on how good it is and how good it isn't.

@Onimusha12 hey man, did you actually play the game?

As an overall gaming experience, definitely one of the best, if not the best I've experienced this generation, and I play on all major platforms (360, Wii, PS3, PC).

All Crysis/MGS4 comparisons I've seen are on the basis of technical aspects only, which is fine for people who focus on the numbers rather than the games themselves, but Crysis feels like most FPS games I've played previously, whereas MGS4 feels like other MGS games, only with just about every nagging problem I've had with the controls ironed out after ten years of evolution.

In other words, MGS is a different gaming experience than just about any other game, regardless of the technical aspects.

From an art direction standpoint, Crysis is far from what I'd consider cinematic; it plays like any other FPS and does a worse job of weaving a compelling story than Half Life 2, which is still a better game despite the technical advances made by the Crytek engine. It does a great job of creating a very realistic video game jungle; by far the BEST foliage ever seen in any game. But creating a realistic environment with realistic lighting effects and highly detailed faces due to a robust game engine does not make it more "cinematic."

MGS4 on the other hand managed to juggle a middle eastern city, a central American jungle, an eastern European city, an arctic tundra and a floating fortress environment, all woven into one story line that didn't feel schizophrenic.

While I realize there are plenty players who enjoy the game for the game play elements, and to a lesser extent the plot, the most noteworthy aspect of Crysis is as a modder's playground. Currently the best in industry.

Excessive narrative has been a hallmark of any MGS game, although by the sound of many complaints in this department, one would think they came from someone who either never played an MGS game previously, or had completely forgotten how they're structured. When you go back and play them all, it's interesting to see just how much of the basic formula has been left intact over 4 games.

For those jumping in the first time; the lengthy narrative is definitely too heavy handed, but the overwhelming impression from Kojima Productions was that MGS4 was for a large part, one big fan service for players who have been following the series all these years.

From a commercial standpoint, not the best way to do game development, but seeing as how the game has already been a commercial success, looks like it's still possible to make a game strictly targeted at a specific niche and still be successful. Imagine that.

MGS4 is the first MGS game I've bothered to finish. As much as I've enjoyed the plots, characters and MGS universe, the broken controls always interfered with my ability to really enjoy them as games. I didn't play Subsistence, which successfully addressed the only game breaking feature of MGS3.

MGS4, has largely addressed all of those control issues for me (being an extension of MGS3 Subsistence with its excellent addition of 3D camera control) which allowed me to focus on the game play elements rather than fighting controls and angles for the most part.

MGS4 has been a compelling enough ride for me that I'm currently replaying though MGS, MGS2 Substance and MGS3 Subsistence all concurrently after picking up the MGS Essential Collection.

The real test for MGS4 will be in ten years when time will tell how the game ages. It's typically premature to label any game "instant classic" or "best game ever" when the initial sales are still being tallied.

But seeing as how I'm still able to play through MGS after ten years, with its broken camera angles (typical of action games making the transition to 3D in the late 90s) and now aged and horrendously pixelated visuals, due largely in part to a compelling story, I think MGS4 is a game I'll still be able to play ten years from now and remember what it was I enjoyed so much about it the first time I played through.

Yahtzee is so annoying.  He thinks his opinion of this game is the truth.  The writing is not that bad.