Just get that moonshadow thing for sure (that gives you 60 sec invisibility).

I found it quite usefull for some tasks (like put poisin in one guy's closet without being seen by his guards).

I always make a custom class with the major skills that I use the most =>

Security:  You have to open a lot of doors/chests quite handy.
Acrobatcis:  Well you jump lot around or I do..
Sneak:  I use it a lot in combination with moonshadow.
Restoration:  I heal also a lot.
Destruction/conjuration:  I love to use magic but also to cast a skelet/ghost..

The reason why PC gamers from my friends group don't like Oblivion:  IT HAVES NO ONLINE MODE....They would love that their were other users are walking in Oblivion.


I played Morrowind now for some 20 hours because a lot of Morrowind fans are saying it is better than Oblivion and I really don't see why.

Morrowind VS  Oblivion:

Story:   First of all the story is in both games not special can't remember anyone who is enthusiastic about the games their story but for me this game is something were you create a story with your fantasy like other games (WoW as example).  Will you be good? Will you be bad?  Will you be warrior?  Will you be a archer? Will you be a strong troll?  Will you be a beautifull high elf?

In my opinion games with a create your own character option never had a good story and that is quite normal I think..

Difficulty:   Well I am playing the Xbox version of Morrowind and I really HATE that the game starts so hard....Serious I died when I met my first enemy...A FUCKING RAT....What even is more annoying is the fact that you have to slash ten times with your weapon and hope that you will hit him once.... (Gamespot didn't liked that aswell check their review http://www.gamespot.com/video/480241/2870485/the-elder-scrolls-iii-morrowind-video-review  MUST SEE) and what they also complained about is that you never know that you are in fact hurting your enemy's or not.

The Difficulty in Oblivion is maybe quite easy but there is a difficulty setting, set it on hard and you will have quite a challenge aswell.

Music/sounds:  The music is very good in Morrowind but the music is in Oblivion is better (but that is quite normal for a newer game), people are complaining a lot about the voices of the characters in Oblivion but it didn't annoyed me so much I prefer it than how they do it in Morrowind ( In morrowind when you start a conversation with a character you get a big Menu screen with on the left side a written sentence 'Hi 'your name' how can I help you' and at your right side all the the questions you can ask them)  First of all it annoyed me that I had to read it all but that is not so bad...The thing that really sucked for me were the total questions/topics you could talk about with a character....THERE ARE JUST WAY TO MANY and most of them don't have anything spectular to say....I am happy they cut the total options in Oblivion.  Somehow it felt like the old point & Click games where there were way to much options like monkey Island 1&2.

Example of a conversation in Morrowind:



There is more to read in conversations at morrowind then in the avarage book you find in the game..


Quantity:  I am only 20 hours far in Morrowind and I really can't tell at the moment witch one has more quests/dungeouns then the other one, you only can be sure that it will take more than 200 hours to see everything in both games.

The World map:  Both worlds/countries/provinces are big I only hate that you don't see small places on the world map in Morrowind as examples dungeouns.   When you have a quest they will explain though where you have to go. 'Go the Odai river who splits the town in the middle , follow it to the south until you come to a bridge, go over the bridge to the west and there you will find the Egg Mine'.     It is okay when you are busy with a quest but when you want to reviset it again you will not see it in the world map and you have to find it in your journal where the location of that egg mine is again.

Overall it are both great games, as an first Oblivion gamer you will have a hard time at in Morrowind and it will spoil your fun at the begin of it but after some training you will just will be sucked in the game like you were in Oblivion..

There are no classes in Oblivion... at about level 20 all characters are essentially the same unless you artificially limit yourself. Maybe if you get some mods it will become more interesting.

I'm pretty sure I beat Oblivion as every class at least once, but I thought being a thief was the most fun. Using the bow and arrow in the shadows is so effing epic. I'd go for it.

So what did you choose kirby =p?

konnichiwa said: I played Morrowind now for some 20 hours because a lot of Morrowind fans are saying it is better than Oblivion and I really don't see why. Morrowind VS  Oblivion: Story:   First of all the story is in both games not special can't remember anyone who is enthusiastic about the games their story but for me this game is something were you create a story with your fantasy like other games (WoW as example).  Will you be good? Will you be bad?  Will you be warrior?  Will you be a archer? Will you be a strong troll?  Will you be a beautifull high elf? In my opinion games with a create your own character option never had a good story and that is quite normal I think.. Difficulty:   Well I am playing the Xbox version of Morrowind and I really HATE that the game starts so hard....Serious I died when I met my first enemy...A FUCKING RAT....What even is more annoying is the fact that you have to slash ten times with your weapon and hope that you will hit him once.... (Gamespot didn't liked that aswell check their review http://www.gamespot.com/video/480241/2870485/the-elder-scrolls-iii-morrowind-video-review  MUST SEE) and what they also complained about is that you never know that you are in fact hurting your enemy's or not. The Difficulty in Oblivion is maybe quite easy but there is a difficulty setting, set it on hard and you will have quite a challenge aswell. Music/sounds:  The music is very good in Morrowind but the music is in Oblivion is better (but that is quite normal for a newer game), people are complaining a lot about the voices of the characters in Oblivion but it didn't annoyed me so much I prefer it than how they do it in Morrowind ( In morrowind when you start a conversation with a character you get a big Menu screen with on the left side a written sentence 'Hi 'your name' how can I help you' and at your right side all the the questions you can ask them)  First of all it annoyed me that I had to read it all but that is not so bad...The thing that really sucked for me were the total questions/topics you could talk about with a character....THERE ARE JUST WAY TO MANY and most of them don't have anything spectular to say....I am happy they cut the total options in Oblivion.  Somehow it felt like the old point & Click games where there were way to much options like monkey Island 1&2. Example of a conversation in Morrowind: There is more to read in conversations at morrowind then in the avarage book you find in the game.. Quantity:  I am only 20 hours far in Morrowind and I really can't tell at the moment witch one has more quests/dungeouns then the other one, you only can be sure that it will take more than 200 hours to see everything in both games. The World map:  Both worlds/countries/provinces are big I only hate that you don't see small places on the world map in Morrowind as examples dungeouns.   When you have a quest they will explain though where you have to go. 'Go the Odai river who splits the town in the middle , follow it to the south until you come to a bridge, go over the bridge to the west and there you will find the Egg Mine'.     It is okay when you are busy with a quest but when you want to reviset it again you will not see it in the world map and you have to find it in your journal where the location of that egg mine is again. Overall it are both great games, as an first Oblivion gamer you will have a hard time at in Morrowind and it will spoil your fun at the begin of it but after some training you will just will be sucked in the game like you were in Oblivion..

Excellent post! I strongly agree with everyone of your points about Morrowind vs Oblivion (and I love both games to death). And I might add that I'm a veteran Morrowind player, bought it within it's 1st week of release.

First, you made a HUGE mistake of playing the Xbox version of Morrowind since the PC version is FAR, FAR SUPERIOR. I don't even know why you'd bother with the Xbox version.

Second, an average person reads several times faster a text than speak it. The text in morrowind is much more informative and natural than the Oblivion's "I saw a mudcrab today" lines. Infact (and most people agree with me) I'd say that the voice work in Oblivion and awful writing HURTS the game and makes it very unimmersive. That is one of the worst design problems from Oblivion.

In terms of actual gameplay, Morrowind beats Oblivion hard. In Morrowind the factions are actually unique and have animosity between them, and if you do progress/choose one over the others you might not be able to take quests from the others (that's what we call consequences for your actions). The Lore is much more insteresting, the land exotic, you will feel like a true alien in a foreign world, the people look at you with contempt and xenophoby behind them. The dungeons do not look cardboard copies (which they do in Oblivion) and have unique and special items that make it worthwhile and give you a true feeling you just found a real treasure.

You know people also said to me when I played Oblivion on X360 and PS3 that I need to buy it for pc because it is far superior and all those mods and other things that makes it more worth to play it on PC but I can't play it on my pc and the same for morrowind (and I have the pc version of Morrowind if you want proof I can show you^).

Well I never really got annoyed by the voice work in Oblivion it is not that good, true but that is also why I put subtitles on so I can also read it (just press A or X when a conversation begins and the characters stops with talking and you can read what she wants to say if you really hate it that much). The text in morrowind is maybe more informative but is a hell that you have to try all options in every conservation and hope that they will say something new.

What you are saying about the facts is something I never really liked... I loved to be the Gray fox of the Thiefs Gield, the boss of the Fighters Guild, The master of the Mages Guild and so on..

The Lore/land depends on your taste I guess. I really love the land of Oblivion and of Morrowind but if I have to choose it would be Oblivion though especially because of the jump in visuals/graphics... Standing there on a mountain where you can see the Imperial city tower when you are still tens of minutes away from it a feet...

Can't say much about the dungeouns, they didn't annoyed me in Oblivion and I am not yet so far in Morrowind to know how 10% of the dungeouns all look like (10% is just a guess of me).

I wish I could love Oblivion like most you do ( or maybe most of you don't) I just can't get into that game. I am at a point where I am going to finish the main quest and sell the game as quick as I can. There no really good story to it, the weapons I have encountered so far are blah and the magic is so uninspiring to me. I know it has an open world environment but the characters are some of the most boring characters I have met in a game. The voice work is the same 4 people (outside Patrick Stewarts performance). I guess MMOs and JRPGs have ruined me from this kind of RPGs. Maybe I am playing it wrong but i have used three different characters but nothing grabs me.

lols i had that moodshadow thingy for a warrior^^

All of the problems konnichiva listed exists on the PC version of Morrowind.

About text vs voices, that's mostly a matter of opinion. More and more games (ALL big games nowadays do) give voices to their characters and for a reason - most people feel more connected and immersed in the world if the NPCs talk, instead of by reading text. For example, one of the worst things about Zelda IMO is the lack of voices. With voiced characters you sacrifice some of the complexity in dialogue, but that isn't specific to Bethesda and Oblivion, it concerns all developers.

I agree with you about consequences. Morrowind is lot better than Obl in that area. But lack of severe consequences for your actions doesn't automatically mean a bad game - actually still most RPGs and adventure games have implemented very little consequences for your actions, although they are steadily improving.

I disagree about the lore. The lore is present everywhere and is awesome in Oblivion.

Yes, Morrowind felt more exotic. DUH! Of course, because it takes place at a distant and exotic location. While Oblivion's setting is placed in the heart of Tamriel where people in general have a more "normal" attitude towards the player. And personally I think there was both pros and cons with Morrowind's xenophoby - it was an interesting experience but sometimes also discouraging and depressive. And don't forget that there were tons of people in Oblivion too that disliked you, I think it had a perfect balance on that matter.