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Pixar recently said that videogames graphically are catching up to movies, however they have alot of work to do in the narrative department. Wall-E really exemplifies that point. To put it side by side with something like MGS4 (or the whole MGS series for that matter) which is "supposed" to be one of the medium's highest achievements as far as story and direction goes, it's not even a contest.

 

(very minor spoilers in this first part. More thematic than specific events)

Wall-E is hands down pixar's crowning achievement artistically. I went in expecting a cute movie filled with humor and fun, ala Ratatouille (which until this, I thought was their best movie). I did not expect such a masterfully crafted, wonderfully directed, powerful movie, filled with symbolism, subtle nuanced performances, and such incredible sweeping messages and themes, not to mention a fantastic soundtrack which I purchased on Itunes as soon as I got home. This movie has very little spoken dialogue, is adorable and yet it covers such heavy handed topics as environmentalism, the dangers of a consumer heavy capitolistic society, the digital age, materialism and the soul, and probably more that I missed on the first viewing (there will definately be more viewings). Nothing any videogame has done can come anywhere close to the beauty, subtlety, and power of Wall-E. And I don't mean that as an affront to videogames, but rather praise for a wonderfully done movie, and also an optimistic view of what videogames may someday be able to do.

 

(slightly more specific spoilers in this part, but nothing movie ruining)

 

Compare the grace, deftness, power and subtlety that Wall-E has to Kojima's awkward heavy handed lumbering and poorly written "philosophical" games and you see the huge gap between the two mediums. In two hours, and almost no dialogue the Writers and directors at Pixar say far more than Kojima can in twenty hours of cutscenes, or however many cutscenes are in the entire MGS series put together (what would you guess fourty hours of cut scenes? Thirty?). Kojima tells us far less about our world, the problems we face as a society, the responsibility we bear as individuals, he fails to make us look at ourselves in the context of what he's telling us, or making us care about his subject matter. He crams hours of philosophy text books into his games without ever making us care about his actual message. Yet in two hours a little robot that says maybe three words in the entire movie (though he does repeat them) can draw us in emotionally, show us the folly of making consumerism our religion and salvation, the dangers our planet faces, our own apathy towards it, and how we fit into the picture. And does so without ever slapping us in the face and saying "LISTEN TO ME!!!" and then ranting for an hour about the message, it never becomes overly preachy or trite. Rather we are finessed into looking at how we think and feel about the topics presented, and it's often times done without a word, or very few words. Less is definately more. Kojima couldn't do that if his life depended on it.

 

 

(no more spoilers)

ICO and Shadow of the collossus have the direction necessary, but there themes and messages are incredibly shallow by comparison to what other mediums do. Games like the MGS series are so awkward, poorly written, and lumbering, absolutely devoid of finesse, or subtlety, that they lack power or the ability to make one introspective, reflective. I hope some day videogames can have that. Have both the emotional power, the keen eye for small cues, and the grand scope of theme and message thoughtfully and artfully presented. And honestly I think someday it will get there. There will be games where the main character is highly animated and interactive with his surroundings, seemingly alive rather than a static hero waiting for the player to input a command. A game that thoughtfully is able to deliver a message through the actions of the player, the nuances of the characters and the stage itself rather than lengthy awkward cutscenes. I think someday the writing will get better than GTA4. I only hope that when it happens gamers will take note.

In Conclusion, watching Wall-E made me realize just how big the gap is between the two mediums as far as narrative goes. I hope game designers eventually work out how to make a game that can be artful, powerful, and fun without being clumsy and awkward like a teenager tripping over his own rapidly growing limbs.

 

Go see Wall-E now. If you don't like it, it's your own damn fault.



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It barely beat out Wanted in the box office, can't be that good. I thought it would kill Wanted.



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Strategyking92 said:
It barely beat out Wanted in the box office, can't be that good. I thought it would kill Wanted.
When did price become a gauge of quality? I guess Iron Man is the frikkin mona lisa.

 

 



You can find me on facebook as Markus Van Rijn, if you friend me just mention you're from VGchartz and who you are here.

It was pretty good

Anyway I hear the message in the film is a little political- not good.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:
It barely beat out Wanted in the box office, can't be that good. I thought it would kill Wanted.

Man, how can you even assert that sales have anything to do with quality, when it comes to movies. Laughable.

 

That said, OP, you roasted MGS4. Incoming sony fanboys. /grabs popcorn

 



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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Also, despite the fact that I haven't seen Wall-E, I assert that the Phoenix Wright series has better story and character development than most Pixar films I've seen, and Spirited Away blows them all away, so really I don't understand the comparison to video games.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

You know, if Wall-E the movie is so amazing, then Wall-E: The Game will feature one of the best stories in a videogame ever. And Zen, he didn't roast MGS4. The fact that it's considered to be the best the industry can do story wise is just laughable.



 

 

Montana, since when do great movies equate to great games?

OT: I haven't seen it yet. My brother said it is for babies. Right now, he is playing Boom Blox.

Yeah I'm gonna see it.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

I guess I should go see Wall-E soon. I've heard good things about it.



dtewi said:
Montana, since when do great movies equate to great games?

OT: I haven't seen it yet. My brother said it is for babies. Right now, he is playing Boom Blox.

Yeah I'm gonna see it.

No one said the game would be great, but it will pretty much have the same story.