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ssj12 on 01 July 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Rath said:
This is why I hate the USA legal system.

Somebody was commiting a crime that didn't actually affect him so he had the right to kill them? He was not acting a self defense (as he was not actually threatened in any way) nor in defense of his property (as they weren't on his property).

Its basically a vigilante execution and that is something I can never agree with.

 

What if his neighbor was his best friend or brother-in-law?

Lawbreakers take a risk when they tresspass and burgle.

 

The day we use the law to reward criminals and put citicizens who stand against them in prison for their stance, is the day that America is no longer free from the tyrrany of men.

How dare anyone insinuate that violations of the law shouldn't matter to someone just because they didn't happen to you?


Oh, that woman was just getting raped. It was none of my business, she wasn't even related to me, so I called the police and waited.

Don't commit trespass in a southern state and then run when someone has a gun on you. They can and probably should shoot you for free. That's the bottom line here. Anything else is simply ideology.

 

How can someone set back and judge(not you, the other guy) "Oh he should have shot him in the leg."

The man thought his life was in danger. Are you seriously telling him to "Shoot to wound."

None of us know the whole situation, so we shouldn't use what we think we woulda or shoulda done to be our stick of what this guy did. He said he thought his life was in danger, I believe him. Have no reason not to. If you have a gun on someone who is close to you and they bolt, if they did bolt towards you, you better shoot, or you are DEAD. Details here don't matter as much as the fact that the man says he was afraid for his life, the shooting obviously wasn't pre-meditated, and there was no motive. Unless you just assume the guy is a psycho with no real evidence, you would have to let him go also, if you were on the jury, or you'd be breaking the law yourself.

That is so true and what it seems every some called American here seems to have forgotten and it rather pathetic top see. Seems some of us should re-evaluate what it means to be an American.

We, should, have the right to defend one's nation and the citizen's of it from tyrany and evil without fear of being looked down upon as a criminal like the one you defended individual freedom and safety from.

 



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Words Of Wisdom on 01 July 2008
ssj12 said:

That is so true and what it seems every some called American here seems to have forgotten and it rather pathetic top see. Seems some of us should re-evaluate what it means to be an American.

We, should, have the right to defend one's nation and the citizen's of it from tyrany and evil without fear of being looked down upon as a criminal like the one you defended individual freedom and safety from.

 


Are we talking about evil and tyranny here or a couple of house burglars who saw a man with a loaded gun, got scared shitless, tried to run away, and got shot in the back?



ZenfoldorVGI on 01 July 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
ssj12 said:

That is so true and what it seems every some called American here seems to have forgotten and it rather pathetic top see. Seems some of us should re-evaluate what it means to be an American.

We, should, have the right to defend one's nation and the citizen's of it from tyrany and evil without fear of being looked down upon as a criminal like the one you defended individual freedom and safety from.

 


Are we talking about evil and tyranny here or a couple of house burglars who saw a man with a loaded gun, got scared shitless, tried to run away, and got shot in the back?

They were scared of going to prison. They obviously weren't scared of the gun, or they would probably have froze. They SHOULD have been scared of the gun.

 

What's up with marginalizing their crime by calling them "house burglars" would it have been better if they were "bank burglers?"

They were criminals comitting multiple felonies. We don't know their state of mind, but we do know the guys state of mind who shot them. Fear.

 

When someone steps into crimes that involve victims, they move themselves into that category of "people who might kill me," and therefore when I face them, I'm afraid for my life. Sudden movements are not advised.

 

Anyway, when the hell did this country get so secular-progressive that we cry for every burglar who gets shot trying to rob someone?

When you feel your life is in danger when someone else is in the act of comitting a felony, even if your own dumbassedness put you in the situation where your life is in danger, then you should feel free to kill the hell out of whoever you feel is threatening your life. You know the term "bolting" right. Well, these guys bolted. That split second or two when your unsure where they are bolting too, is plenty of just cause to shoot them dead.

 

Maybe it's our society where we think burglary and tresspassing are just comicly funny and relatively unimportant crimes, when in fact they are major felonies and are punishable by as many years in prison as manslaughter.

To be honest, I blame GTAIV.



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Galaki on 01 July 2008

It's all fun and games until it happens to you.

Wouldn't it be nice to park you bike in front of your house without worrying about it being stolen?



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Sqrl on 01 July 2008

Uh, if a couple of guys are robbing my neighbor's house I certainly would feel threatened. If they are willing to steal from my neighbor why wouldn't they steal from me? Just imagine being home alone at 3AM on a dark night and you see two men breaking into your neighbors house, threatened is a mild way of putting how I would feel.

Whats more is how do you know your neighbor and his/her family aren't in danger? What if one of them wakes up, whats going to happen then? So when the police arrive 20 minutes after these guys are gone and they start wheeling out stretchers to carry away your neighbors 3 year old who was shot because she startled the burglar you would be OK with your decision to not interfere? Was it "good enough" that you got the license plate?  Cause that doesn't bring anyone back from the dead if something does happen.

The shooting itself is woefully lacking in detail for anyone here to get all huffed up about it anyways. For all we know the two burglars had pulled guns and were running for cover, kinda changes things a bit doesn't it? Until we get all the facts of the situation its pretty pointless for people to sit here and act morally outraged. And honestly even then its sort of ridiculous to be morally outraged that two men committing a felony were killed in the act, in just about every scenario imaginable thats an act far closer to right than wrong.
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Words Of Wisdom on 01 July 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
ssj12 said:

That is so true and what it seems every some called American here seems to have forgotten and it rather pathetic top see. Seems some of us should re-evaluate what it means to be an American.

We, should, have the right to defend one's nation and the citizen's of it from tyrany and evil without fear of being looked down upon as a criminal like the one you defended individual freedom and safety from.

 


Are we talking about evil and tyranny here or a couple of house burglars who saw a man with a loaded gun, got scared shitless, tried to run away, and got shot in the back?

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I think you missed my point.  At least Sqrl is on the right track.

The scenario I depicted could very well be what happened.  That rendition makes the man out to be a cold-blooded killer, but since we don't have all the facts... we don't know if it's correct.

People calling this man a hero without knowing the full story are being naive IMO.



MrBubbles on 01 July 2008

He shot 2 illegal alien criminals that had just robbed his neighbour and were on his property. what else is there to know?



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Avalach21 on 01 July 2008
MrBubbles said:
He shot 2 illegal alien criminals that had just robbed his neighbour and were on his property. what else is there to know?

 

These are all confirmed facts.  Words of Wisdom and Sqrl have both stated that we don't know exactly what happened, but if we want to take the confirmed facts into account...



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ZenfoldorVGI on 01 July 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
ssj12 said:

That is so true and what it seems every some called American here seems to have forgotten and it rather pathetic top see. Seems some of us should re-evaluate what it means to be an American.

We, should, have the right to defend one's nation and the citizen's of it from tyrany and evil without fear of being looked down upon as a criminal like the one you defended individual freedom and safety from.

 


Are we talking about evil and tyranny here or a couple of house burglars who saw a man with a loaded gun, got scared shitless, tried to run away, and got shot in the back?

 

I think you missed my point. At least Sqrl is on the right track.

The scenario I depicted could very well be what happened. That rendition makes the man out to be a cold-blooded killer, but since we don't have all the facts... we don't know if it's correct.

People calling this man a hero without knowing the full story are being naive IMO.

 

Ah, I agree. I'm just saying that we shouldn't assume the robbers were innocent victims.



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superchunk on 01 July 2008

Why make up hypothesis of why they were running, etc.

Fact is a court looked into every detail and concluded that he did nothing wrong. As far as I'm concerned I don't care if they were running away for their lives. They are scum and deserved what they got. To me stealing is just barely less than murder, rape, and molestation.