@ Squilliam

For example GTA IV sold more copies on the 360, but the attach ratio is better amongst PS3 owners.

Some games were released later on the PS3 due to these games being lead on the 360, due to the 360 headstart. For a new console owner this means nothing, also of the best sold multi-platform games some are better on the 360 but likewise some are better on the PS3, the differences aren't that big though. Overall they are mostly the same games.

The 360 may have games which scored higher on the 360, but this means little. For example Oblvion scored lower on the PS3 on average, but every reviewer agrees the PS3 version is superior.

Some 360 games are showing their age as new games tend to accomplish more (resulting in higher expectations), if the old games would be released unmodified today they would receive lower scores.

@ DitryP2002

Because on average, the average 360 owner owned his or her's console longer than the average PS3 owner.

If you look at the likelihood of a gamer having bought 20 or more games, this rapidly increases as time goes on. (Saving up money to buy games, finished games already bought earlier, new games being released, new birthday or holiday season, etc, etc)

DirtyP2002 said: MikeB said: DirtyP2002 said: haha 8 of those PS3-games did not even sell a million units, while the 360 has 16 further millionsellers besides those you listed. 4 of these further millionsellers are 360-exclusive.   Like clarified in the original post, the 360 had a one year headstart. This resulted into an install base advantage when the PS3 launched and when games were released. But on average a PS3 owner buys about just as many games per year. For example what this means, if both the average PS3 owner and 360 owner buys 4.7 games per year, if 360 console owners from 2005 bought a 360 they would own 9.4 games on average by 2007. PS3 owners from 2006 will own 4.7 games on average by 2007. Understand? Software Totals: Console Weekly Total Tie Ratio 1,079,625 (+12%) 75,844,534 6.15 1,000,621 (-3%) 100,032,193 4.25 844,663 (-17%) 106,653,529 9.06 616,287 (-42%) 33,090,545 6.41 346,634 (-13%) n/a n/a 242,809 (-4%) 51,282,013 3.96 Total 4,130,639  tie ratio means average games per console, right? If the average PS3 owner buys as much software as the average 360 owner, why is there such a big difference? I am asking seriously! No trolling here

That's clearly not what it means...

Use Google.

 

As squilliam pointed out, there is a reason MikeB left out raw sales numbers. The PS3 comes off far less swimmingly when they are included.

At the end of the day the attach rates for the consoles are VERY different. The Xbox 360's is much higher. Now people like Tombi claim they are the same by convincing themselves its reasonable to do point-in-life comparisons. That only serves any real purpose when the comparison is with a console from a previous generation.

The only attach rates developers are going to look at when deciding who to develop for are point-in-cycle rates. At this point in time/cycle, the Xbox 360 has a far higher attach rate than the PS3, regardless of headstarts etc.

One could use a point-in-life comparison to imply the PS3 will continue to grow its attach rate at the end of the generation for one year longer than the Xbox 360, but there is a reason why even that argument is flawed. By now, its just plain common sense to realize that the PS3 and Xbox 360 will have tails FAR lower than the PS2's and FAR behind the Wii. Though it started later in the generation, the PS4 will be forced out at a time competitive with the Xbox 3 and Wii 2, meaning any late catchup in attach rates is unlikely, and will in any case be irrelevant to games production.

well the ps3 has sold more software in europe then the X360

RolStoppable said: Good thread, MikeB. I am glad that you still think that Wii fans who say that the PS3 has no games should be taken serious.

 

I look at such comments differently as I think those are far more understandable, there's near to no overlap in the Wii's top 20 bestsellers games library if you compare it with the PS3 and 360's games library. If you like Nintendo games the Wii is by far the best platform.

obieslut said: well the ps3 has sold more software in europe then the X360

Says the largely incomplete charts (with European data for several 360 titles missing).

 

MontanaHatchet said: obieslut said: well the ps3 has sold more software in europe then the X360 Says the largely incomplete charts (with European data for several 360 titles missing).

 

Still if proper tracking of software by VGChartz started simultaneously, according to the data the PS3 sold more software using an equal timeframe in Europe/others while having a smaller install base (according to VGChartz with regard to others, this is still the case).

I think most of you missed the point of the thread

You cannot easily compare the attach rates of consoles that were released at different times, at least not until later in the generation

scottie said: I think most of you missed the point of the thread You cannot easily compare the attach rates of consoles that were released at different times, at least not until later in the generation

Of course you can compare them.

You just can't expect fans of the consoles that came out later to be happy that they'll normally be well behind in attach rates.  This is especially true for fans of the PS3, which according to VGC has a lower tie rate than the Wii, which came out at comparable times.

And of course you can expect such people to say "wait till the PS3 has the same attach rates this time next year" whilst completely failing to realize that PUBLISHERS DONT CARE.  All they care about is making money.