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LordTheNightKnight on 14 June 2007
KruzeS said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The thing is that if there is no legal claim, the church becomes the slanderers, which is much easier to prove in England. If there is no real grounds for the claim, even for good taste, it means that the church is trying to make Sony, or shooter games in general, look bad, and Sony could have a legitimate suit for that.

Look, I live in a flat and am having some problems with the upstairs neighbors dragging their feet about some leakages they have. If I went up there and told them I'm considering legal action, however baseless, as a form of pressure, I'd be a slanderer?

Come on man, the Church didn't even say they were going to pursue legal action - they said they were considering it! All of the sudden that's slander? And Sony is taking the hole issue (not necessarily the legal one) seriously, and talking to them, not saying: "yeah, you do that, and you'll see! we've got the powa of legal bloggers on our side".

All I'm saying is I think people like you are reading too much into this, and over analyzing the hell out of it. And yet you keep going at it: now it's slander, what's tomorrow? Come on! Sony can defend themselves without your help and, as of yet, it's not slander to them. This isn't Jack Thompson vs. Rockstar.


 This is the link to the first news story to cover this (that I am aware of).

  "The Church says Sony did not obtain permission to use the interior in the war game Resistance: Fall of Man."

 Don't tell me that isn't a legal comment. Permission would ONLY be needed if there was some legal claim to the right to use the church, which under common law, is a copyright.

 "the Church... has demanded an apology and the removal of the game from shop shelves - otherwise it will consider legal action."

 So the church is not merely considering legal action. They are making demands with the legal action as a thread, even as a consideration.

Basically, you are telling half-truths and outright lies to defend the action of a bunch of idiots, just because you feel we are attacking religion, which your first post here claims.

 Sorry, but we didn't vote anyone infallable, which I don't believe anyone in the church of England did, so we don't give religion a pass.



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weezy on 14 June 2007

"Sony vs church "

FIGHT!


church wins by knock out


you win!

(street fighter)



I am WEEzY. You can suck my Nintendo loving BALLS!

 

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weezy on 14 June 2007

"Its really just a pathetic attempt by the church to stay relevent these days."

i take that offensive,i still go to church alteast twice a month..i feel you are the pathetic one



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LordTheNightKnight on 14 June 2007
weezy said:
"Its really just a pathetic attempt by the church to stay relevent these days."

i take that offensive,i still go to church alteast twice a month..i feel you are the pathetic one

 Which church. He didn't state religion, or even Christianity in general. He called it the church because it's called "The Church of England". That's the only religious institution he meant. If the church you go to is of a different denomination, then he didn't mean your church. And even if you went to that church, one person doesn't prove something is relevant in the sense he meant.



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weezy on 14 June 2007

"Which church. He didn't state religion, or even Christianity in general. He called it the church because it's called "The Church of England". That's the only religious institution he meant. If the church you go to is of a different denomination, then he didn't mean your church. And even if you went to that church, one person doesn't prove something is relevant in the sense he meant. "

oh.



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LordTheNightKnight on 14 June 2007
weezy said:

"Which church. He didn't state religion, or even Christianity in general. He called it the church because it's called "The Church of England". That's the only religious institution he meant. If the church you go to is of a different denomination, then he didn't mean your church. And even if you went to that church, one person doesn't prove something is relevant in the sense he meant. "

oh.


 That's why I often ask for clarification of comments before I respond, and often get my foot in my keyboard if I respond without the full information.



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Blue3 on 14 June 2007


KruzeS on 14 June 2007
I never said they were infallible. I just said the offense mattered more than the legal issue, and that you people are taking this out of proportion. You tell me I'm outright lying, then you quote the precise article I'm talking about. So yes, I am telling you your first quote may very well not be a legal comment. If I wanted to go and make a sketch of the cathedral or a 3D model (and I actually have worked with church models in research papers), I'd ask for permission, because I think that's the polite thing to do. They stated Sony hadn't asked for permission, not that Sony needed permission, you see? But we could go ad eternum with this, when it's just obvious we'll disagree, so let's just agree to that, instead of you going on record saying I'm but a lier defending a bunch of idiots.

Beyond that, and about me thinking you're atacking religion, just look at Blue's post to see where I'm coming from. It's funny, I laughed actually. But people are making it so this is about religion. And I'm not even a very religious guy, I just don't see it as a bad thing - specially when what they want is money and recognition for an anti-gun program.

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ion-storm on 14 June 2007

This is a popularity contest Sony might actually win!



Yes

NightStalker on 14 June 2007
Blue3 said:

haha good stuff. My fav. part is when he says the church has no use for fiction. it's quite the contrary in my opinion.