windbane said:
alpha_dk said:
Legend11 said:
alpha_dk said:
windbane said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
NJ5 said:
I wonder how the industry would be like without MS's/Sony's payments to third parties. Would they be able to develop the games they're developing, and survive?
A lot of companies making HD games are subsidized by those companies' pockets, of that I'm sure.
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Yeah right.Those out of pocket purchases account for a minority of the 3rd party support,that the 360/PS3 receive.Third party developers choose the PS3/360 as their platforms of choice because it's the ideal platforms for their games and audience.Not knocking the wii,but a majority of the third party support will continue to go to the 360/PS3 regardless of how well the wii does.imo |
I agree with this entirely.
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Are either of you willing to take a bet about this? Say, use of Avatar/sig for a while, or something else?
Terms of bet if either of you are willing:
I say that the # of Third Party Wii games announced at E3 will be greater than PS3/360 combined (PS3/360 multiplats only get counted once, not twice) (any games that come to Wii in addition to one or both of the PS3/360 games can either not be added to any, or be added to both; it is a net null gain). If either of you two are willing to take that bet, then please tell me what you would like to bet.
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Who doesn't expect a lot of casual crap to be announced for the Wii? If Ubisoft announced 13 games for the Wii and all except two are budget crap and has 7 games for the 360/PS3 but they're all quality games does that mean the Wii has won with that company when it comes to third party support? That is what blue-ocelot is talking about when he mentions the majority of third party support . For those who claim that quality is subjective, I agree. but it's pretty obvious what we're talking about when it comes to quality and ridiculous to pretend that it's difficult to tell the difference.
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Here is the list of video games announced at e3 2007
I can't find a comprehensive list from 2006, but Wiki has a decent list
E3 is NOT a shovelware announcement platform. It selects, for the most part, against shovelware due to the cost of holding a booth there, etc. It's not worth it to advertise shovelware, because it cost-prohibitively selects against the games that don't sell based on hype.
For every Cruis'n Wii announced at e3, there is also a Lair or Blacksite: Area 51.
Don't you get it? The bet ALREADY eliminates most of the crap that will be released on Wii by virtue of it being E3.
For someone to not want to take the bet means that they aren't sure that the PS3/360 core games will outnumber the Wii's; and you know what? That's fine by me, but pretending that this bet is in any way unfair to the PS3/360 because of shovelware is simply wrong.
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You'd be right if that 2007 list didn't consist of shovelware.
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Like I said,
"For every Cruis'n Wii announced at e3, there is also a Lair or Blacksite: Area 51."
It isn't cost effective for the what most people talk about with 'shovelware' on wii; the shovelware announced at E3 is the same shovelware that exists on all consoles; games that just aren't much fun, or don't have a big enough budget, or are licensed; it's equal-opportunity shovelware. You aren't going to see Conspiracy Entertainment there, for example. If you have a more fair metric, I am willing to use that instead, as I said above.
Since I haven't heard one that doesn't rely on the past yet (which is silly when talking about future support), I can only assume that noone out there is confident enough in their theories about the Wii's future third-party support to put their money where their mouth is.
As they say; put up or shut up. Some of us are tired of hearing about the third party 'doom' when there are more good games on the horizon than at any time in the past, and more creativity is going into Wii titles than has been present in the industry in a long time; even EA is starting to revolutionize their Wii games. If you really agree with bleu-ocelot that
a majority of the third party support will continue to go to the 360/PS3 regardless of how well the wii does.imo
then right here, right now, let's make the bet. If not, then stop stating it as a fact and saying that the support is lacking every chance you get. It's getting annoying.
Please, PLEASE do NOT feed the trolls.
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