Look, Both GT and Forza are good games.

It is however very unlikely Forza has any chance to be a GT killer as based on sales of F2 vs GT5:P it's pretty clear that GT5 will very likely sell more than double F3 (i.e. the sales of GT5:P indicate that GT5 is likely to see at least 8 M in sales while sales of F2 indicate at least 3 M if not more than 4M)

2 disks ain't a big problem but it will (if true) give more ammo to Sony's claim that over time more storage for certain games will be required.

Both will very likely offer a fantastic racing experience.

Can we leave it at that?

Awesome. The best racing simulator has just got better. Cant wait to see the jump in graphics to. And hopefully the damage model is improved upon. Forza 3 for the perfectionists is on its way. oh yes.

I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned yet, but 100 race tracks is very unlikely, unless a reverse version of each track counts as another track.

It's fake. You know how I know? At the beginning of this generation when everyone complained about the $60 price point, MS promised that games published by Microsoft would be $50, not $60. That would include Forza 3.

And yet Forza 3 is listed as $60 on that site. Either MS isn't good for its word, which I doubt they'd lie that blatantly because people wouldn't forget, or the info is fake.

Putting a racing game on two discs is nonsense. The system doesn't have enough memory to do store a significant portion of a DVD in memory before swapping to another disc.

Also, Forza is better than Gran Turismo.  The only people who seem to say otherwise haven't played both.  I have and it's not even close.  Gran Turismo isn not even a racing sim, it's an arcade game where you bump other cars and the physics are a poor approximation compared to Forza.

1) That's just ridiculious. 

2) Where do you think he got the 6 month quote from then?  After they've already had WAY over 6 months working on the game.  Obviously it was based on real life expierence.

It isn't that rediculous. It's a mental thing. working by yourself you think you are making good time but really you could be working at a snails pace.

 http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/03/yamauchi-reveals-gt5-details-to-car-and-driver/

Programming detailed car models on the PS3 is a ridiculously time-consuming process. "For Gran Turismo 1, one car was one day's work for one man," Yamauchi said. "For GT3, one car was one man's work for 30 days. For GT5, one car is one man's work for 180 days."

Like I said, I'm pretty sure they have teams on each car not just a bunch of people working on their own cars for 6 months.

Ummm, Ninja Gaiden 2 is $60, so that doesn't mean it's fake.

However, the claim of a PS3/360/Wii/whatever emulator soon to come for the PC certainly does.

WOW! Even though I aboslutely hate driving games, Forza 3 sounds HUGE. (But probably not a system seller)

This whole thread is gibberish. Especially the OP. I would take this info with a grain of salt.