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See, in all the explanations, the thing you are really saying is "price, price, price". That's fine and reasonable, but just understand that is the *real* underlying issue here. Within the next 7 to 10 years, this won't be an issue - just as CD pricing gave way to the DVD - and, trust me, 7 to 10 years from now, it's not going to be a DVD drive in your computer anymore. This is simply history repeating itself, as it often does. I've been there...I've owned the Dreamcast when it came out. I've backed up Dreamcast games on CD.  I've created Dreamcast boot disks to play back MPEG1 off CD's. I've bought a $599 standalone DVD player. I've bought a PS2 when it launched. I've done all these things before. And it looks like everything's just come around full circle.

 



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@ LordTheNightKnight

You have a list of amiga games? I'm actually curious. Wikipedia doesn't have a page for them. BTW, cheap-a** homebrew games shouldn't count, since you are evidently referring to polished, professional products.


For the Snes there have been about 750 commercial games released, for the Amiga more than 4500 commercial games have been released of which a majority geared towards the Amiga 500. If you include Freeware, Shareware, GPL, etc games there are more than 10.000 Amiga games.



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JSF said:
See, in all the explanations, the thing you are really saying is "price, price, price". That's fine and reasonable, but just understand that is the *real* underlying issue here. Within the next 7 to 10 years, this won't be an issue - just as CD pricing gave way to the DVD, and, trust me, 7 to 10 years from now, it's not going to be a DVD drive in your computer anymore. This is simply history repeating itself, as it often does. I've been there...I've owned the Dreamcast when it came out. I've backed up Dreamcast games on CD. I've bought a $500 DVD player. I've bought a PS2 when it launched. I've done all these things before. And it looks like everything's come full circle.

I can't quite decipher your point, is it that the PS3's price doesn't matter since bluray is new?  Obviously should bluray become the format of choice it will be cheaper in 5-7 years.  Although it would seem by Sony's behavior it'll be time for a new even more expensive format then.  Whatever happens it'll be too late for the PS3 which is overpriced now for the primary gameplay benefit of not having to occasionally switch discs.  If I missed your point I apologize.



My point is that, if your only gripe is price - and it sounds like that's all it is - it won't matter in a few years. Blue optical is going to be the new sweet spot in a few years...just as DVD writing was price prohibitive when the PS2 and Xbox1 came out and went on to become the defacto low price before the end of their lifespans...just look what optical drives you all have on your computers right now and the prices on blank DVD media.  That was inconceivable at the start of the previous generation.

 



JSF said:

See, in all the explanations, the thing you are really saying is "price, price, price". That's fine and reasonable, but just understand that is the *real* underlying issue here. Within the next 7 to 10 years, this won't be an issue - just as CD pricing gave way to the DVD - and, trust me, 7 to 10 years from now, it's not going to be a DVD drive in your computer anymore. This is simply history repeating itself, as it often does. I've been there...I've owned the Dreamcast when it came out. I've backed up Dreamcast games on CD. I've created Dreamcast boot disks to play back MPEG1 off CD's. I've bought a $599 standalone DVD player. I've bought a PS2 when it launched. I've done all these things before. And it looks like everything's just come around full circle.

 


In 7-10 years, we will be on the 8th gen, so the Next systems will have better drives for their needs. Duh.

 MikeB, I asked for a list, not a number. If you can link to one, I don't have to see them all, just see there actually were that many games. Right now, I only have your word, which equals a grain of salt.



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It doesn't take the full 7 to 10 years. How long have you had the DVD drive in your computer? Duh.



JSF said:
It doesn't take the full 7 to 10 years. How long have you had the DVD drive in your computer? Duh.

 I write that we will be IN the 8th gen, not START the the 8th gen.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

JSF said:

My point is that, if your only gripe is price - and it sounds like that's all it is - it won't matter in a few years. Blue optical is going to be the new sweet spot in a few years...just as DVD writing was price prohibitive when the PS2 and Xbox1 came out and went on to become the defacto low price before the end of their lifespans...just look what optical drives you all have on your computers right now and the prices on blank DVD media.  That was inconceivable at the start of the previous generation.

 


By that point it won't matter since the Wii and 360 will have used their current major price advantages to secure #1 and #2 spots well above Sony.  It's great the price will come down eventually, it'll just be too late for me or most of the market to care.



@LordTheNightKnight

 

MikeB, I asked for a list, not a number. If you can link to one, I don't have to see them all, just see there actually were that many games. Right now, I only have your word, which equals a grain of salt.

http://obligement.free.fr/articles/listejeuxamigaa.php

http://hol.abime.net/

Happy now?



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

JSF the DVD format has been around a little over 10 years what's your point if the blu-ray format takes 7 that's to long. The argument I've never understood throughout this whole thing is PC games have never had this limitation on disk space you could easily of put a game like Oblivion on two DVD9 disk and made it much bigger than it already is but it didn't happen games in 2000 could easily of been on 2 or 3 CD's if they wanted to be closer to 2-3GB of space but they weren't the point of all that is to watch history and how games how grown over time a high tech game in 2000 came in a little under 1GB of space one in 2005 came in right around 4.7GB is the industry going to grow past 25GB this generation I doubt it for most games based off that jump and that a 15 year old Dell CRT monitor can display in 720p resolution. As a medium reaches its limits you will probably see it in the games such as FF9 being on 4 disk but to my knowledge that had no correlation to the price of the game. Also MikeB did I see 25 amiga mine games in that list?