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I think we've moved beyond the hardcore stage of the console lifecycle and the appeal is broadening to include less die hard gamers and those with differing tastes from this year onwards. 

The games that will really move hardware for the 360 PS3 or Wii now, are the "Come and play with me" type games that are easy to get into and have a wide appeal. Games like Fable 2, Sacred 2, Halo Wars, Too Human, and the old Halo 3 are the keys to accelerating sales for the Xbox360 this year IMO. Price cuts would only assist this process further. My reasoning is this, an Xbox360, PS3 or Wii owner buys a game. He wants to play Coop or Multiplayer with a friend without a console so he says "Hey I think you should buy an Xbox360, PS3 or Wii so we can Coop on X and Y game and I think you'll enjoy it, its only $299, 249, 399 now". I don't think its a coincidence that the Xbox360, PS3, Wii upcoming games lineup is stacked with quite a few of these types of games.

This is the key for the Xbox360, PS3, Wii to broaden its sales base in the states and for Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony to sell more of its extremely profitable Live Gold subscriptions, or attract gamers by offering the service for free. This is targeting the gap between the Wii and the HD consoles at present to try and draw in as many people as they can to no avail. Consoles with easy multiplayer are perfect examples of this. The Wii by design is a "Come and play with me" console, and IMO this explains a lot of their success. Their own userbase is their best marketing weapon.

They can afford Price cuts strictly because they expect X numbers of Gold subscriptions to be sold per console and they benifit from current ones as well, they can finally make the console fully reliable and divert a lot of the money used to pay for repairs into profits/price cuts, Sony and Nintendo ofcourse made a good hardware product in the first place and the total cost to make the machine will drop with this refresh even more so than the Falcon, because the GPU and heatsink are both big and expensive and the fact that they are shrinking every other chip on the motherboard.

Lastly I think the Jasper refresh is time for Microsoft to make some changes to the console specs.

1. The small HDD and lack of wireless is hindering their Live/Online media delivery strategy so it makes perfect sense to at least implement wireless if not bump the HDD space up a little to 40-60gb on the Pro model as already availible in the PS3. They lose money when people can't connect to live gold or when they buy the competitions console because the Xbox doesn't have wireless. They lose further when they miss out on potential media/arcade sales due to a lack of space. Wireless and some extra HDD space is cheap and they'd likely make the money back easy with extra gold subscribers and extra sales. The chips and the changes required to do both would cost less than $5 to implement most likely. Let's ignore R&d for a second.

2. Optional Blu ray in the Elite SKU as already availible in the PS3. They have a close relationship with ATI so implementing a media decoding chip will be a cinch, especially as they're shrinking all the chips and releasing a new motherboard design.

 

I rewrote the general bits that practicly aplly to every console and put in some nice thoughts of my own. I am sure it will lead to some nice discussion to keep me occupied till I get to pick up Mgs4 in a few hours.



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299$ + 50$ per year to play online games with your friends is a lot more expansive than a Wiimote and you go play the game at your friend's house. That's what we do (but we all have a Wii tough). Also, it's so much more fun to play with your friends in person. Online gaming is great but it does not benefit all that much from playing with your friends (unless they are far away).

If they really want the Xbox360 to be a social device, they need to come with some games were people can play inside the same room. Rockband is a really good example even though it's multiplatform.



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Godot said:
299$ + 50$ per year to play online games with your friends is a lot more expansive than a Wiimote and you go play the game at your friend's house. That's what we do (but we all have a Wii tough). Also, it's so much more fun to play with your friends in person. Online gaming is great but it does not benefit all that much from playing with your friends (unless they are far away).

If they really want the Xbox360 to be a social device, they need to come with some games were people can play inside the same room. Rockband is a really good example even though it's multiplatform.

well, with your logic, I guess you could ALSO bring a controller to a friends house.



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The smartest thing MS did this generation was to include a strong online presence and a headset with every HDD console.

Nintendo is succeeding despite their online, which appeals to some people but not others. The Wii is selling itself on other merits.

Sony pretty much botched their online by relying on Bluetooth technology (absolute shit for my personal setup) and not putting a dedicated headset in every box. Even if I do get my POS to work so I can speak, well over 50% of any given server isn't using a microphone. Lame, especially in team-oriented games. The lack of in-game XMB and a few other missing features make the service look even worse.

Nintendo and Sony's policies for online chatting, playing, everything are what ensured MS will get about $500 extra dollars out of me for XBL Gold and extra game purchases. If the game is PS3/360 and online, there's about a 95% chance I'm buying it for the 360 because of the stronger, better-operated, and more tightly-knit XBL community. Now if MS would only pay for a few dedicated servers, XBL would be nearly perfect.




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darthdevidem01 said:
Little Big Planet.....have you heard of it??
ITs effect on console sales will be minimal.

 



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CrazzyMan said:
LoLz, just ONE day before MGS4 launch. =))

What's MGS4? Can I play it coop with my friend on Xbox Live?

The smartest thing MS did this generation was to include a strong online presence and a headset with every HDD console.

The dumbest thing MS did was cheap out and pass on using high-quality dedicated servers for their online experience. Retarded and frustrating.

Cool ads right on my dashboard, though, telling me what softdrinks I should drink now that I pay for Xbox Live.

I just don't see the games you mentioned really bringing wide appeal.  GTA 4 is *far* more likely than any games you've mentioned to still bring widespread appeal depsite it's apparently failure to do so already.   



TheBigFatJ said:
CrazzyMan said:
LoLz, just ONE day before MGS4 launch. =))

What's MGS4? Can I play it coop with my friend on Xbox Live?

The smartest thing MS did this generation was to include a strong online presence and a headset with every HDD console.

The dumbest thing MS did was cheap out and pass on using high-quality dedicated servers for their online experience. Retarded and frustrating.

Cool ads right on my dashboard, though, telling me what softdrinks I should drink now that I pay for Xbox Live.

I just don't see the games you mentioned really bringing wide appeal. GTA 4 is *far* more likely than any games you've mentioned to still bring widespread appeal depsite it's apparently failure to do so already.


Agreed, which is why I made a brief mention of that at the end of my post.




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Gazz said:
Snip.

I was talking about how games for the Xbox360 coming this year. We know what the Wii is like and we know what the PS3 is like, since this is a Microsoft only forum its my choice whether or not to mention the other consoles.

Heres the full list of games that I think will help to draw people to the console through multiplayer - local/online.

Blood Bowl-Q4 2008
Developer: Cyanide
Publisher: Focus Home Interactive
360/PC

Fable 2-October 2008
Developer: Lionhead Studios
Publisher: Microsoft
360 Exclusive

Gears of War 2-November 2008
Developer: Epic Games
Publisher: Microsoft
360 Exclusive

Halo Wars-October 2008
Developer: Ensemble Studios/Bungie Software
Publisher: Microsoft
360 Exclusive

Huxley-November 2008
Developer: Webzen
Publisher: Webzen
360/PC

Left 4 Dead-November 2008
Developer: Valve
Publisher: EA
360/PC

Sacred 2-Fallen Angel-TBA 2008
Developer: Ascaron Entertainment
Publisher: CDV
360/PC

Too Human-August 19th 2008
Developer: Silicon Knights
Publisher: Microsoft
360 Exclusive

Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures-TBA 2008
Developer: Funcom
Publisher:Eidos Interactive
360/PC

Its a strategy game, two FPSers that will have awesome Coop - especially Left 4 Dead as its a new franchise. Then we have a fair few RPGs and MMORPGs coming and they are easy to play, they have wide appeal and they look like some quite good games for people to play together. There are a few more that I don't know much about, but those are what could be either significant or moderately good for people to get their friends involved with the Xbox360. The greatest force in marketing is word of mouth, and these games by offering Coop are a great way of spreading it.



Tease.

I think there's to many PC games on that list..... I'm sticking with my original opinion.



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2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.

3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.

4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games.  If that were the case they'd own a PS3.

5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.

6. Boycotts: Their so lame.