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LG[Infinite] said:

The Concept of Value, or Why Price Cuts Can Fail

            What makes a product valuable to a consumer? The answer is simple: if a product satisfies the needs of the consumer, then the consumer will consider the product valuable. On the other hand, if a product does not satisfy the needs of the consumer then it is not very valuable to them at all.

            In order to develop a successful product, companies need to ensure that the services offered by their product are what consumers deem valuable. If they can do this they have a product that is valuable to consumers and is likely to do well. If there is a mismatch between the services offered by the product and what consumers consider valuable then the product can struggle, regardless of the effort spent marketing and developing it. The ongoing conflict between the PS3 and the Wii demonstrates this quite clearly.

            The PS3 is undoubtedly an impressive piece of equipment. Not only does it offer superior graphics, it is also capable of playing Blu-ray disks. What does this tell us about how Sony perceives the market? The inclusion of superior graphics suggests that Sony believes that consumers value graphics. Similarly, the inclusion of Blu-ray playing capabilities, suggests that Sony believes that consumer also value the ability to play Blu-ray disks.

            How well was the PS3 sold? The answer is: not very. This suggests that Sony may have misread what consumers need that is, it may have misjudged what consumers deem valuable. However there are others who do not think that Sony has misread the market. Instead, they argue that the PS3 is valuable to consumers, that consumers do value superior graphics and Blu-ray. What has happened, they argue, is that the price of the PS3 exceeds the value placed in it by consumers. Cut the price, it is claimed, and sales should increase dramatically.

            On the face of things, there is nothing obviously wrong with the price-cut argument. However it makes an assumption. Namely, it assumes that what Sony considers valuable (superior graphics, Blu-ray) is what the consumer considers valuable. If this assumption is false and consumers do not consider the services offered by the PS3 to be valuable then no amount of price-cutting will help. Paying half price for something that is worthless to you is still paying too much. So has Sony misread the market? The answer to this question lies in the Wii.

            The Wii is undoubtedly inferior to the PS3 in terms of the graphics that it can provide. Nor can it play Blu-ray disks. In fact, it cannot even play DVDs. Yet it has consistently outsold the PS3 since its launch and shows no signs of slowing down. Why? Look at how the Wii is marketed. The ads for the Wii focus not on the game being played, but more often, on who is playing the game and how they are playing it. The Wii sells itself as being approachable and family friendly. It is seen as easy to use and social. These are the qualities that Nintendo thinks consumers deem valuable. The response of the market has been unequivocal: Nintendo was right.

            This is not to say that graphics do not matter. They do. But above a certain point, increases in graphics quality cease to matter. While no one would pay several hundred dollars for a console incapable of producing better graphics than the NES, it seems that the graphics of the Wii are, by and large, considered good enough. If superior graphics did matter, if there was no ‘good enough’ threshold, then the PS3 would be a success and the Wii a failure. The graphics of the Wii, while not spectacular, meet the needs of consumers.

            Similarly, if Blu-ray was what consumers valued then the PS3 should be in front of the Wii. It is not. This suggests that Blu-ray is not valuable to many consumers. There are several possible reasons for this. Firstly, the improvement in sound and picture quality offered by Blu-ray requires specific audiovisual equipment. To the majority of consumers who do not have this equipment or are unwilling to invest in it, Blu-ray has no value. Nor is there reason to suspect that this story will change in the near future. The jump in sound and picture quality between VHS and DVD was vast. The jump from DVD to Blu-ray is nowhere near as large. The slow uptake of Blu-ray even after the demise of HD-DVD suggests that for many consumers DVD is good enough. The extra sound and picture quality of Blu-ray offers little value to them because DVD meets their needs.

            Blu-ray does not only offer greater sound and picture quality it also offers larger storage capacity. In gaming terms this equates to potentially larger games. If larger game size was valuable to consumers then again, PS3 should be on top. But this is not the case. It is likely then, that as with graphics, there is a game size threshold. The games on the Wii are not always as large or as complex as their PS3 counterparts but for most consumers they are large and complex enough, as demonstrated by Wii software sales. Therefore the potential for larger games offered by Blu-ray does not translate into greater value as perceived by consumers.

            Given all of this, what effect will a PS3 price-cut have? The answer is: not much. The values offered by the PS3 (i.e. the services it provides) are not what consumers deem valuable. Paying half price for something without value to you is still paying too much. If this seems unbelievable, consider the Xbox360. Despite some of the models of the Xbox360 being at or below the price point of the Wii it has not made any significant inroads into the Wii’s sales lead.

            To finish with a somewhat trite example, consider two ice cream companies. One of them makes vanilla and the other makes strawberry. Both of them want me to buy their ice cream. Unfortunately for the vanilla company, I like strawberry ice cream. They can cut their price in half, even put in real vanilla and it will make no difference. I do not value vanilla, but I do value strawberry.

 

 

 

To paraphrase: The demand for the Wii is higher than the PS3 at their relative price points.

We cannot however be sure that this would remain true if either product was to dramatically change its price as we just don't know our receptive the demand is to price adjustments. 

 

 



 
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Really, if you want a console, make one payment of whatever the price is, and be done with it. I think people take money far too seriously. There is far more to life than money, so woopteedoo if something is over priced, and you want it. As long as it's one payment, and it's not obscenely over priced, then work a few extra days if you must, and just buy the damn thing and be done with it. Price is just a barrier. It's not a matter of life or death. Like, so many people complain about the PS3 being over priced. So what if it is, and if it is, by how much? $50? $100? I mean, $50 translated to like, three hours of working. I mean, are you not going to buy something that you may have for the rest of your life, because you don't want to work three hours more? How can such simple logic, be turned into something so retarded? Besides, you're putting your money towards something tangible, unlike phone bills and such. I mean, if you can pay for all those bull shit bills and such, that come back every month, then a few extra bucks for a PS3 is nothing. I don't know. I just think people take money way too seriously. They treat it like it's their own life or something. I mean, don't go blow it all away like someone stupid, just understand that there's more to life than money, and stop complaining if something is over priced. I mean, be happy these consoles are at the prices they're at, because if only once of each existed, they would probably be worth more than a billion dollars.



To explain why a price drop won't increase demand past a certain point, one need only look at the old saying "you can't sell ice to an eskimo". Certain products are not appealing to certain demographics no matter their price, for various reasons. The most frequent one being no immediate want or need for the product. If one has no want or need for something, short of impulse shopping, one is very unlikely to get it. It's a simple explanation, but it does the job of explaining how price cuts work alright.



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PS3 needs more games.  (In 08 this starts to get remedied, decisively.) 

Sony should have made it happen earlier with its first-party devs, IMO.  For instance, Santa Monica made GoW 2 for PS2 while PS3 was sort of languishing, etc. 

Consoles are platforms for libraries of great games, first and foremost.  Though, other features ARE factors.  Wii's control scheme is one, even.  Such a feature can capture the imagination.



wfz said:
Squilliam said:
LG[Infinite] said:

 

The PS3 is undoubtedly an impressive piece of equipment. Not only does it offer superior graphics, it is also capable of playing Blu-ray disks. What does this tell us about how Sony perceives the market? The inclusion of superior graphics suggests that Sony believes that consumers value graphics. Similarly, the inclusion of Blu-ray playing capabilities, suggests that Sony believes that consumer also value the ability to play Blu-ray disks.

Its not got superior graphics, in fact Sony sacrificed the ability to put better graphics in the machine and billions of dollars to put Blu ray inside. Its an and or not a plus and a plus.

 

 



 .......Did you just say that PS3 graphics aren't superior to Wii's graphics, and that they sacraficed better graphics in order to include Blu-ray? I've never heard anyone argue about that second point, so I don't know whether it's true or not, but........

You said PS3's grahpics aren't superior to the Wii's? My whole grasp on reality is being distorted right now.


They aren't as good as they could have been*. Blu ray cost a lot, so they had to make sacrifices in other areas.

They could have had - 1gb of ram and a better GPU. Then we would have seen a decisive difference between the 360 and the PS3 and the developers could have made better use out of the performance of the Cell chip.

Blu ray is not money well spent if you're looking at making the best games machine, its money well spent if you want to foist your format onto the unsuspecting world.



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Sky Render said:
To explain why a price drop won't increase demand past a certain point, one need only look at the old saying "you can't sell ice to an eskimo". Certain products are not appealing to certain demographics no matter their price, for various reasons. The most frequent one being no immediate want or need for the product. If one has no want or need for something, short of impulse shopping, one is very unlikely to get it. It's a simple explanation, but it does the job of explaining how price cuts work alright.

You can't sell ice to Eskimo's because ice isn't scarce to Eskimos. You'd have great difficulty selling a Wii to someone who owned 5,000 of them for example. Scarcity creates value - something has value as long as there are not too many of them.

Price cuts work well in general because very few people have enough resources to gain no value from purchasing a product. Price cuts work as long as there are people out there who becomes  potential purchaser as a result of the price drop. They are justified as long as the percentage increase in patronage is greater than the percentage decrease in price.



 
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Cherry picking on the literal meaning of a saying is not going to change the fact that people won't buy something they don't want or need.



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Slimebeast said:
LG[Infinite] said:

 

Given all of this, what effect will a PS3 price-cut have? The answer is: not much. The values offered by the PS3 (i.e. the services it provides) are not what consumers deem valuable. Paying half price for something without value to you is still paying too much. If this seems unbelievable, consider the Xbox360. Despite some of the models of the Xbox360 being at or below the price point of the Wii it has not made any significant inroads into the Wii’s sales lead.


Those are flawed logics. You're talking as if value was totally separate from price. If that was the case, then Nintendo would have charged $600 for their console, and it would still sell like bazookas.

Choices, and value, aren't as black and white as you portrait here.

I may strongly prefer strawberry ice-cream, but I may very well end up buying vanilla if I think it tastes good too, and the vanilla company is selling it 30% cheaper.

I also laught a little bit over that statement. If the PS3 would be 100€ right now, off course I would buy one (and yes, I know, it can't be that cheap). I know at least 3 guys wanting a PS3, but not for the current price. So the thing has "value" just not worth 400€

 



The thrust of the argument is not necessarily that the PS3 is too expensive. Rather it is that the experience offered by the PS3 is not really what consumers want. Because consumers do not really want what the PS3 offers, reducing its price is unlikely to stimulate sales unless the price is reduced so far that even if consumers don't really want what it offers, they'll pick it up anyway.



Sky Render said:
Cherry picking on the literal meaning of a saying is not going to change the fact that people won't buy something they don't want or need.

This. People don't buy things they don't want. 

Although there are things that can be nitpicked about the OP a lot of it is just quibbling. The attempts by critics of the OP to deconstruct some of the more tautological concepts is amusing.