It would appear that fagarcia75 has been pwned. 

People saying you'll get eternal damnation for not believing in Jesus or god is so annoying. Hell is such a logical hole that it's laughable. Anybody that takes a second to think about God damning you to hell would have to realize that it makes either christianity moot, or the idea of hell wrong. Let's do a little thought experiment.

Let's say me and fagarcia are sitting together in a room. I am a secularist, no belief in god, I don't accept jesus as my personal savior. Fagarcia, devout christian insists that I must believe in order to get into heaven, actually I'm going to leave fagarcia out of it because I don't want it to seem like I'm picking a fight with him personally, I'll address it to any christians that think eternal damnation is a consequence of anything I could possibly do.

Anyway,Me and a christian are together in his house, I don't believe in god. Do you as a christian douse me in gasoline, light me on fire, stab out my eyes, put my testicles in a vice, sic a pack of angry hounds on me, torment me to the best of your abilities until I die? I will assume the general answer is no. I ask why not? I would guess answers would vary between things such as "that would be wrong" or "that's not my responsibility, that's for god to do" or some variation of those. I ask you as christians, do you want to do that to me? I will hope the answer is no (you'd be ignoring everything christ taught as well if you said yes). You as a christian do not want to torment me, burn me alive, inflict pain on me.

So now I ask, why does god want to? Why is he so eager to do what you as a christian would find so morally reprehensible? Now a possible response to that would be "Well he doesn't want to torment you forever, he wants you to repent and become saved!". Alright, he doesn't WANT to burn me forever in torment, but he's going to anyway just for the hell of it? Why?

Is some one forcing his hand into burning me forever? If so, he's not omnipotent god. Is Satan doing it (thusly washing God's hands of the horrible unjust act), and god just won't save me because I didn't believe in him? Then he is callous and not all loving and all forgiving. Or does he in fact just want to torment me? Then he's just a sick twisted god. The latter two completely contradicting the notions of christianity, that being god is love and mercy.

Hell completely contradicts the notion of a loving god. There is no excuse for hell. There is no justifying that a loving god would create a place of eternal torment, just for the fun of it, or that he couldn't destroy such a place if some one else made it. It is impossible for there to be both a place of eternal torment of damned souls, and also an infinitely loving, infinitely powerful god.

I'm pretty confident that I'm not going to be tormented forever.

No, just did not notice that this thread was still active.  I say what I say before, "God's ways are higher than our ways, and just because we do not understand all that God does does not mean He does not exist." 

I do not have to prove myself, or my God to you (though I have enjoined chiming in on this discussion for the sake of those who it may be helping).  I will pray for you, for if you do not come to know the Lord Jesus Christ (who is God and died on the Cross for the sins of the world), then you will bear the consequences of that for eternity.  I would wish that upon no one.  Not even my most fearsome enemy.

One final note.  If I have said anything in this thread and someone felt as though it was an personal attack on them, I would like to apoligize for that.  Discussion is one thing; an argument and taking shots is another thing; one in which I am not interested in.

I dont mind it when people believe in god, but i do mind it when people are totally ignorant and wont accept anything else (and to a certain extent, i believe you qualify for both these catagories). Final-fan has been debating with you, and has made many many good points (all of which i agree with), but you are so ignorant you deny anything that does not go with your logic; that is, anything (and i mean anything) that the bible says. While i dont mind it generally when people believe in god, i generally do not like creationists; if one knew of the bible properly, then one would know that the old testament is not meant to be true or historically accurate, it is a bunch of stories written to teach people lessons (such as not to be greedy, respect other people etc). The old testament is the biggest piece of fiction in history!

Meh, i could go on a rant about the whole bible, but i will restrain myself!!

i believe in god, but one thing is god and other is a nanny, god is not a nanny of the humanity, i believe that god is a origin force, or a powerfull force or somenthing like that, but god is not a nanny lol.

Bleh, even after my reasoning fagarcia still says I'm going to hell. He even admits he would never wish such an atrocity on anyone not even his worst enemy, but I guess he's just so morally inferior to god that he can't do what he needs to do: Punish those heathens!!! Hell, god will probably burn you too for not wanting to burn people. You better get on the burning bandwagon before god gets pissed and thinks you're questioning his burnings.

I guess his love is a higher kind of love that we can't understand, the kind of love where you set people on fire and torture them for eternity. I'm getting all warm and squishy inside just thinking about it.

i know Vagabond, it doesnt make sense.

Say if there was a random person who was generous, nice, respected people, helped when possible etc, but he didnt believe in god... does he burn in hell as well? Because, from what ive been told, thats the general picture im getting

Yeah, I was watching this thing on 20/20 last night about kids being pushed or alowed to do adult things before they're ready (like an 11 year old bull fighter in spain), but one kid was like 8 and his dad had him turned into a baptist preacher.

The kid was hanging outside of abortion clinics telling anybody who went in that they will go to hell, not to kill your children (screaming it as baptists are prone to do), and on street corners telling everyone to repent and accept jesus or accept the eternal consequences. What was the worst part though is that the woman that interviewed him was oriental and asked him "My mom and I are bhuddist does that mean I'm going to hell no matter how well I live me life, or how good of a person I am". The kid just blatantly said "If you don't accept jesus as your savior, yes" while his dad nodded along next to him. When she asked him why he likes to preach so much he thought about it for a second and said "I'm not sure about that one, you'd have to ask my daddy". The poor kid is such a tool, and is going to be a huge brainwashed biggoted douche bag when he gets older. THAT'S what the hellfire doctrine represents. Bigotry.

"I live my life by the standards God has set forth in the Bible"

Then you are either a liar or a terrible human being. Likely, you are both. Sorry.

 "I lived for seventeen years before I became a Chrstian [sic], and those latter years of my teenage life were actually very depressing, vain, and empty.  I had no self-worth, and saw no reason to live and even contemplated suicide."

Denying yahweh is an unforgivable sin, so if at any point you were not a christian, you are going to hell. Furthermore, if you also deny the existence of around 3,000 other gods, you are still going to hell. Looks like you're screwed, looks like all that time you invested in 1 of the possible mythological beings, really was a waste.

It wasn't until the prospect of stoning people to death that you decided, "I shouldn't commit suicide." I usually empathize with those who contemplate suicide, but I gotta say if you side with the, god of the bible, "arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust unforiving control freak; a vindicative, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevlent bully," I'm afraid I feel the world would have been quite fine without you.

"After I became a Christian and recieved Christ (who is God by the way) as my Saviour my life had real fulfillment, meaning and purpose.  Christians who serve God are no doubt the happiest and most blessed people on earth. heaven."

Christians (who are delusional, by the way) who serve their god are no doubt some of the most evil people on Earth.

I responded to you exactly 30 minutes after your post and you thought the thread was dead?  That's your worst excuse yet. 

I notice that you don't have any kind of rebuttal to what I have said.  Therefore, the pwning stands.