Mr. Mc.Niel I will get back with you as soon as you answer my questions. I see that you and Rick are really going to town right now. If you are anything like me, it can be hard trying to answer and debate so many questions.

Mr. Mc. Niel and Mr. "Stick" you guys need to take it down a knotch. Why are you calling each other names, I know this is frustrating but try and contain yourselves. Do you want a fight or do you want the truth? Anger can ruin good debate and learning.

Both of you have a good night.

Ja Mata

1. Tell me, what is the scientific reason why we all die? Does it justify why people you love die? Don't misunderstand me, i don't think science is the devil, if you read my earlier posts you'd see this. But let me explain about sin. We don't die because someone ate from the apple, we die because we sin. Because of sin, God said we could not live forever, because with the knowledge of evil and imoortality the universe God created would be destroyed, as well as the beings and the humans themselves. So we left Eden for the Earth. Now we are not immortal, because we have lost our placce with God. But that's not it. God loves us all, so he will give us ETERNAL life (eternal like God is eternal, read on of my earlier posts if you want to hear more) to all who prove that they are responsiblw with the knowlege of good and evil. That is why you and your loved ones and all of the Human race aren't immortal.

You obviously are missing something again! If God is omnipotent no one would suffer or die. The rest of what you said is disproven because god could just change it (yup he's omnipotent). It has nothing to do with someone's cause of death.

Please don't try and pollute my life with magic. My life has nothing to do with Zeus's thunderbolts and it has nothing to do with any abrahmic religion either.

2. Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the rules of the old, but to renew them. We don't stone people to death anymore because of what Jesus teaches. Those without sin can judge those who sinned. Therefore none of the Pharisees could cast a stone. Jesus didn't abolish the old rules, he just refurnished them. Go ahead cast stones, just make sure that you are in a position to judge others without having to be judged yourself. The rules about slavery, i see no encouragement of slavery in the Bible, sorry. Homosexuality, that's assuming that homosexuality isn't hindering nature, and the human race, and is actually not a choice. And besides, the greatest of all the rules is Love. Love for yourself, God and others.

No. Omnipotent beings don't change their mind about things. You're not reading the bible again! Homosexuality is natural, which part of it comes from somewhere that is not nature? Nothing is not natural - such an idea is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it is a choice or not - as long as it's not your choice whether it exists or not.

3. You need to study the Christian religion my friend. Justify that these people who fought in the crusades and took part in the inquisition were by Christ justified in thier actions. Prove to me that Jesus Christ himself would agree wholeheartedly of all the killing and wars took place in his name. Those people were wrong, you and I both know that. But are you going to blame it on Christianity which condemns the same thing, or are you going to blame it one the people whose ignorance knows no bounds. And Just so you know, alot of the crusades wasn't about destroying the Muslims, but it was partly (by King Richard the Lion-hearted i think) due to save the inoccent people of Jerusalem. And yes, fake christians make up a large percent in Christianity i know that. That's why i said, the biggest thorn in Christianity is internal, straight from the fake christians who sin in God's name, or who are foolsih in God's name.

Is this king magical too? He can live forever, throughout the crusades at least, old guy. Those people went to war in the name of Jesus, though according to you they started a religious war for no religious reason. It only took 700 years after constantine and they were ready to kill for something they can't prove ever existed. All of the wars were against muslims. It was a HOLY war, hence, the name "Crusades." Obviously not only do you need to actually read the bible - but you need to read a lot more.

I have studied the christian religion, and obviously more than you, which I guess is typical since Christians don't even read the bible, (not even the pope http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6b_vVNP4nM).

5. Historically Jesus Christ existed. Show me a valid work of history that disproves the existence of Jesus. Jesus Christ was an epidemic back in the 1st century. Before the Bible as we now know it was finished. Are you saying that Jesus started up from nowhere? Are you saying the Christians who were persecuted were believing in an imaginary person? Are you stating that there was no Jesus?

EDIT: Forgot to mention, christians were a small group of people before constantine decided to make christianity the offical religion.

The burden of proof is on you. Jesus is no different than Dionysus. You don't pray to any other beings whose stories are identical? Most people know that the ideas in relgions were borrowed from others.

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

Jesus turns away a woman who is from Canann. Every theologian knows this about this story. This proves to me you've never read the bible.. or you're trolling which I guess never occured to me - in which case you got me.

Israelis:

"Our god has given this land to us, and we must protect it from the nonbelievers, our god will protect us, he wants us to be victorious."

Palestinians:

"Our god has given this land to us, and we must protect it from the nonbelievers, our god will protect us, he wants us to be victorious."

No good god would ever let people kill in his name. This means that one of these groups is right, neither of these groups are right, or god is evil.

You cannot justifiably say exactly one of these gods don't exist. Both of the two religions these people follow are just as crazy. This leaves the facts that god is evil or doesn't exist.

Is pi really 3?

Why doesn't god heal amputees? If god were good and all powerful he would. I would do it if I could, and certainly a perfect god would have to be better than me. Either god is evil or he doesn't exist. Either the bible is written by god or it isn't? Read the bible and disprove anything I have said. As of now you haven't said anything at all. You're not reading it - otherwise you'd have seen what it really says. Read it from start to finish, don't skip the bits you think are written by god on a bad day.

1 - Thats one funny paragraph that starts with a semi-admintal of non-understanding regarding why humans die which could easily be understood with a few clicks on google. It then diverges into what many might consider mythology, and ends by saying "don't try and pollute my life with magic." Sorry I couldnt resist but thats just funny.

People die because our bodies beging to break down from all sorts of stuff like polution & the fact that we do not have the DNA code to regenerate certain vital tissues. As a side note, some animals have the ability to regenerate but aparently God wasnt smart enough to implemented this feature into us. Instead we got the ever so useful diving reflex instead... lol.

2 - Interesting... didnt you state in an earlier post that our enhanced ability to think is not natural since it doesnt benefit ourselves or nature sometimes? Now you are saying there is no such thing as un-natural. So what gives?

Regarding Jesus and laws. We dont need religion or people to teach us that we should follow law within reason. This is one of the points that led me away from Christianity. Humans were doing this long before any religions, and are doing it now without religion as well. Everything Jesus supposedly did was redundant and obvious to anyone with an average intelligence with exception to adding the "believe in me and you will be rewarded" clause. The smartest thing the bible ever did was make it impossible to prove or disprove anything within it.

3. "Prove to me that Jesus Christ himself would agree wholeheartedly of all the killing and wars took place in his name."

As stated above, "The smartest thing the bible ever did was make it impossible to prove or disprove anything within it." What I love about Christians is they are quick to use that defense when it suits them but ignore it completely when faced with a question like "prove anything in the bible is true." Anyway, then you say...

"Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the rules of the old, but to renew them."

ok... so if Jesus came to renew old rules that means old rules should still be valid. Furthermore, if you are Christian you should also believe in the story about Noah and the flood as well as what supposedly happened to Sodom & Gamora. Using your logic, if we are supposed to act as god or jesus would, and if the old ways are correct then we should execute all non-god believers, as well as all people who have sex for pleasure. Oh and it doesnt matter if we take out their 6 month old children while we are at it because hey... thats exactly what god did and we are just following his example since Jesus is God. I am just glad that God couldnt defeat the invention of Iron alloys. Things would have gotten really silly if he just kept up his rampage.

5. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here. There is no physical proof to confirm or deny that Jesus existed. All we have are written books but... we only have the books left after most were destroyed for various reasons. Of those that mention Jesus in any way, all are religious in nature so they are in themselves questionable depending on how you interepret history.

"The burden of proof is on you."

On the contrary. You claim that Jesus is real. You are just as responsible to prove your statement as the person who states that he is not real. You are equally burdened and I would love to see the proof both sides provide since in my studies I have found exactly jack and diddly squat. All we have is conjecture but nothing solid.