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TruckOSaurus on 04 June 2008

I have to admit that Gray Fox is pretty darn cool too!



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Ssyn on 05 June 2008
Domo-Kun said:
I always hated the whole "OMG my arm is possessed by LiquiD!!!!" thing, it's just.... lame.

 Heh, kojima wanted it to be a DNA merge and fiddle around with the dominat and ressive gene theme in an extremely awkward way... Maybe he will make more sense of it in MGS4. I've always preferd Liquid, he was a perfect archnemsis for SS.



Quickdraw McGraw on 05 June 2008

I've heard that Kojima explains the whole "Liquids arm possessing Ocelot" predicament in more detail in MGS4. Here's hoping it is, at the very least, a decent explanation, as it's easily one of my least favorite occurrences in the MGS plotline.

With that said, I've always liked Revolver Ocelot more. The way he practically plays everyone, not only his allies but enemies, is worthy of some amount of respect.



jman8 on 05 June 2008
TruckOSaurus said:
@jman8 : Thanks for refreshing my memory it's been a while since I've played through all Metal Gears and there's so much stuff that I had forgotten.

@Domo-kun : I never really liked that idea either... it's too far-fetched and impossible. Even Fortune is more believable than this.

This is such an interesting point. When you're creating a fantasy story like Metal Gear, how do you distinguish between far-fetched and believable? How exactly is Fortune or Grey Fox any more believable than Liquid Ocelot? I'm not bashing you, I'm just wondering how an artist draws that line between ridiculousness and believability.



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rocketpig on 05 June 2008
Quickdraw McGraw said:
I've heard that Kojima explains the whole "Liquids arm possessing Ocelot" predicament in more detail in MGS4. Here's hoping it is, at the very least, a decent explanation, as it's easily one of my least favorite occurrences in the MGS plotline.

With that said, I've always liked Revolver Ocelot more. The way he practically plays everyone, not only his allies but enemies, is worthy of some amount of respect.

Ah, come on, that's one of my favorite parts of the MGS series. Am I the only one who laughed hysterically when it happened?




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Kratos on 05 June 2008
rocketpig said:
Quickdraw McGraw said:
I've heard that Kojima explains the whole "Liquids arm possessing Ocelot" predicament in more detail in MGS4. Here's hoping it is, at the very least, a decent explanation, as it's easily one of my least favorite occurrences in the MGS plotline.

With that said, I've always liked Revolver Ocelot more. The way he practically plays everyone, not only his allies but enemies, is worthy of some amount of respect.

Ah, come on, that's one of my favorite parts of the MGS series. Am I the only one who laughed hysterically when it happened?


Nope is was more like this:



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rocketpig on 05 June 2008

Yes, there is a huge "WTF" moment during that scene. Which is why I laughed so hard. I doubt Kojima meant it to be funny but I found it hysterical.




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TruckOSaurus on 05 June 2008
jman8 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
@jman8 : Thanks for refreshing my memory it's been a while since I've played through all Metal Gears and there's so much stuff that I had forgotten.

@Domo-kun : I never really liked that idea either... it's too far-fetched and impossible. Even Fortune is more believable than this.

This is such an interesting point. When you're creating a fantasy story like Metal Gear, how do you distinguish between far-fetched and believable? How exactly is Fortune or Grey Fox any more believable than Liquid Ocelot? I'm not bashing you, I'm just wondering how an artist draws that line between ridiculousness and believability.


I guess I'm more inclined to believe technological fantasy (Gray Fox's suit or Fortune's electro-magnetic field) than biological fantasy (Liquid's arm possessing Revolver).

But now that I think about it Psycho Mantis' flying or Fat Man skating his huge butt all over the place without being out of breath aren't really believable too.



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