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I think i've provided more evidence to the fact so far...

1. Kojima NEVER uses CG in any of his games, and MGS games never have had trailers made from CG.

2. Kojima has made many claims that this is running real time (he makes his games look 'dirty' which make them look better).

3. Kojima released the following demo of the game running on a PS3 devkit to shut up the people who claimed it was CG, yes he is like that.
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=905




If you don't agree that it's not Pre-Rendered now then I don't know what will convince you and you're deluded.



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Gballzack said:
OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
Lol @ Blue3 trying to jump bandwagons and act like MGS4 and FF sales won't matter now that MGS4's potential success has been compromised, lol. Perhaps you can provide some stats to support your theory Blue?

I don't think he's changing tunes at all, he is just talking realistically... MGS4 isn't a huge system mover, it wasn't really that big on PS2 anyway... FF is big and GT is the bigger as a system mover for the PS3 fullstop!


lol. Now that MGS4 is showing signs of moving systems the Sony fans are acting like it was never that big a deal to begin with. Lol. Wasn't it you guys who were praising this as one of Sony's trump cards? Lol. I can't get enough of this. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a Sony fan can change his tune.


 LOL you think I'M a PS3 fanboy???

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



OriGin said:
I think i've provided more evidence to the fact so far...

1. Kojima NEVER uses CG in any of his games, and MGS games never have had trailers made from CG.

2. Kojima has made many claims that this is running real time (he makes his games look 'dirty' which make them look better).

3. Kojima released the following demo of the game running on a PS3 devkit to shut up the people who claimed it was CG, yes he is like that.
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=905




If you don't agree that it's not Pre-Rendered now then I don't know what will convince you and you're deluded.

That's not proof, its conjecture. Give us proof. I want a source, a link saying this is infact ingame footage. Until then you have no grounds to make your claims.

OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
Lol @ Blue3 trying to jump bandwagons and act like MGS4 and FF sales won't matter now that MGS4's potential success has been compromised, lol. Perhaps you can provide some stats to support your theory Blue?

I don't think he's changing tunes at all, he is just talking realistically... MGS4 isn't a huge system mover, it wasn't really that big on PS2 anyway... FF is big and GT is the bigger as a system mover for the PS3 fullstop!


lol. Now that MGS4 is showing signs of moving systems the Sony fans are acting like it was never that big a deal to begin with. Lol. Wasn't it you guys who were praising this as one of Sony's trump cards? Lol. I can't get enough of this. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a Sony fan can change his tune.


 LOL you think I'M a PS3 fanboy???

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh because Sony fanboys never deny being fanboys, lol. What do you own all three consoles, is that your claim to fame of not being a fanboy? lol. The only other thing you could be is a Graphics whore or a Technophile, which are both considerably worse than a Sony Fanboy.



Look at high res. screens and its apparent MGS4 isn't the second coming. This low res. trailer makes it look better than it really is.

And is MGS going to be "FULL HD 1080P!!!"?



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

OriGin said:
I think i've provided more evidence to the fact so far...

1. Kojima NEVER uses CG in any of his games, and MGS games never have had trailers made from CG.

2. Kojima has made many claims that this is running real time (he makes his games look 'dirty' which make them look better).

3. Kojima released the following demo of the game running on a PS3 devkit to shut up the people who claimed it was CG, yes he is like that.
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=905




If you don't agree that it's not Pre-Rendered now then I don't know what will convince you and you're deluded.

Didn't he use loads of CG in the cutscenes from MGS2? At the very least, the intro movie HAD to have been CG - I don't think any PS2 could've handled such quality through in-game rendering... 



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OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
Lol @ Blue3 trying to jump bandwagons and act like MGS4 and FF sales won't matter now that MGS4's potential success has been compromised, lol. Perhaps you can provide some stats to support your theory Blue?

I don't think he's changing tunes at all, he is just talking realistically... MGS4 isn't a huge system mover, it wasn't really that big on PS2 anyway... FF is big and GT is the bigger as a system mover for the PS3 fullstop!


lol. Now that MGS4 is showing signs of moving systems the Sony fans are acting like it was never that big a deal to begin with. Lol. Wasn't it you guys who were praising this as one of Sony's trump cards? Lol. I can't get enough of this. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a Sony fan can change his tune.


LOL you think I'M a PS3 fanboy???

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, just ignore it. If you fart in the general direction of Sony HQ yet your passing gas wasn't smelly enough you will be labeled a Sony fan for not having eaten more fajitas mixed with vindaloo.



Gball, just stop. Origin is  not a fanboy. He criticizes the PS3 all the time. Stop flaming anything that shows even the mildest support for Sony.



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OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
OriGin said:
Gballzack said:
Lol @ Blue3 trying to jump bandwagons and act like MGS4 and FF sales won't matter now that MGS4's potential success has been compromised, lol. Perhaps you can provide some stats to support your theory Blue?

I don't think he's changing tunes at all, he is just talking realistically... MGS4 isn't a huge system mover, it wasn't really that big on PS2 anyway... FF is big and GT is the bigger as a system mover for the PS3 fullstop!


lol. Now that MGS4 is showing signs of moving systems the Sony fans are acting like it was never that big a deal to begin with. Lol. Wasn't it you guys who were praising this as one of Sony's trump cards? Lol. I can't get enough of this. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a Sony fan can change his tune.


LOL you think I'M a PS3 fanboy???

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, just ignore it. If you fart in the general direction of Sony HQ yet your passing gas wasn't smelly enough you will be labeled a Sony fan for not having eaten more fajitas mixed with vindaloo.


I think that's up to a Game Reviewer to decide don't you think? LOL! Perhaps you can show me where I used the words "Sony Fanboy" or "PS3 Fanboy" because I didn't and that's what Origin is responding to. And funny isn't how everytime I bring up a valid point the other person always dodges the issue by turning the debate into a matter of name calling semantics. How sad.

Bodhesatva said:
Gball, just stop. Origin is  not a fanboy. He criticizes the PS3 all the time. Stop flaming anything that shows even the mildest support for Sony.


Good Grief! You whiney little turd, jesus. Go cry to a mod if it bothers you that much. "Gballzack stop it, you're hurting people's feelings, flowers won't grow if you hate Sony, they water those flowers!" Good god!



Oh My God.

You are perhaps the worst fanboy i've ever seen Gballzack... in fact I support the Wii, DS and PC gaming more than anything currently.

I'm an ex Sega fanboy and my allegances lie with no gaming company right now... the reason I own a Wii is because I could afford that and I like Zelda games (haven't really touched it since sorry).


I DONT own an Xbox 360

and

I CERTAINLY DONT own a PS3.


I don't plan on purchasing a PS3 until there is something that really tickles my fancy for that console... there are a few good looking games here and there, but nothing to make me buy one yet... MGS4 might be that game for me because I'm a long time MGS fan from the PS1 and PS2 era.

Did you even watch the video link that I posted? That is directly from Kojima-san himself but if you really need it... then I will go even FURTHER to prove my point.


http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60928
Eurogamer article which mainly focuses on whether this game is Pre-Rendered or not... lets see what they have to say!

The question, of course, is whether this is all truly real-time. The answer is a resounding yes; not only does the trailer itself make that claim in no uncertain terms ("Forget Pre-rendered Stuff!" it instructs viewers at the beginning, during an FPS game spoof section where you see through the eyes of an enemy soldier being taken down by Snake) but it also shows off a number of small hallmarks of real-time footage like occasional low resolution shadows, odd filtering on some textures and a depth of field effect which looks great but not quite as good or accurate as could be achieved simply in 3D Studio Max or the likes.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/17/kojima-interacts-in-real-time-with-mgs4-trailer-at-tgs/
This is Kojima inteacting with the Character Model in MGS4 via a PS3 dev unit... yes this is not pre-rendered.

Watching any kind of trailer can cause us to raise both our pre-rendered defenses and even our hopes (for MGS/Sony fans, at least) that the footage we just saw will be possible with the eventually released software. This demonstration from Kojima (and MGS character designer Yoji Shinkawa) shows us that the scenes from the vaunted TGS trailer can run in real-time, though 1UP's videos don't show much beyond changing the lighting, colors, zoom, and camera angles while paused. (A video message from a grateful Ken Kutaragi was also reported—though not shown—where he "thanked Kojima for making such a great showcase for his new hardware." If learning Japanese isn't quite your thing, just keep in mind that the female commentator repeatedly exclaims sugoi throughout the video, which means "amazing" or "awesome" in English.)

http://www.cnet.com.au/games/0,239029232,240057064,00.htm
Kojima Quote

To dispel any doubt, series director Hideo Kojima and artist Yoji Shinkawa held a stage event at Konami's TGS booth to prove that the visuals are indeed running in real-time on the next-generation console. "This trailer isn't a CG or something that we've rendered on a high-spec PC," said Kojima "This is the real thing on a PlayStation 3 development kit."


In conclusion? What am I a fan of in this instance? Simple. I'm a game developer fan... I am a fan of certain main production houses and will generally buy a console when a single game by that developer is released... Kojima is one of my favourite developers, he keeps going until he gets it right and doesn't mind delaying games to make them better.


YOU LOSE



OriGin said:
Oh My God.

You are perhaps the worst fanboy i've ever seen Gballzack... in fact I support the Wii, DS and PC gaming more than anything currently.

I'm an ex Sega fanboy and my allegances lie with no gaming company right now... the reason I own a Wii is because I could afford that and I like Zelda games (haven't really touched it since sorry).


I DONT own an Xbox 360

and

I CERTAINLY DONT own a PS3.


I don't plan on purchasing a PS3 until there is something that really tickles my fancy for that console... there are a few good looking games here and there, but nothing to make me buy one yet... MGS4 might be that game for me because I'm a long time MGS fan from the PS1 and PS2 era.

Did you even watch the video link that I posted? That is directly from Kojima-san himself but if you really need it... then I will go even FURTHER to prove my point.


http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60928
Eurogamer article which mainly focuses on whether this game is Pre-Rendered or not... lets see what they have to say!

The question, of course, is whether this is all truly real-time. The answer is a resounding yes; not only does the trailer itself make that claim in no uncertain terms ("Forget Pre-rendered Stuff!" it instructs viewers at the beginning, during an FPS game spoof section where you see through the eyes of an enemy soldier being taken down by Snake) but it also shows off a number of small hallmarks of real-time footage like occasional low resolution shadows, odd filtering on some textures and a depth of field effect which looks great but not quite as good or accurate as could be achieved simply in 3D Studio Max or the likes.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/17/kojima-interacts-in-real-time-with-mgs4-trailer-at-tgs/
This is Kojima inteacting with the Character Model in MGS4 via a PS3 dev unit... yes this is not pre-rendered.

Watching any kind of trailer can cause us to raise both our pre-rendered defenses and even our hopes (for MGS/Sony fans, at least) that the footage we just saw will be possible with the eventually released software. This demonstration from Kojima (and MGS character designer Yoji Shinkawa) shows us that the scenes from the vaunted TGS trailer can run in real-time, though 1UP's videos don't show much beyond changing the lighting, colors, zoom, and camera angles while paused. (A video message from a grateful Ken Kutaragi was also reported—though not shown—where he "thanked Kojima for making such a great showcase for his new hardware." If learning Japanese isn't quite your thing, just keep in mind that the female commentator repeatedly exclaims sugoi throughout the video, which means "amazing" or "awesome" in English.)

http://www.cnet.com.au/games/0,239029232,240057064,00.htm
Kojima Quote

To dispel any doubt, series director Hideo Kojima and artist Yoji Shinkawa held a stage event at Konami's TGS booth to prove that the visuals are indeed running in real-time on the next-generation console. "This trailer isn't a CG or something that we've rendered on a high-spec PC," said Kojima "This is the real thing on a PlayStation 3 development kit."


In conclusion? What am I a fan of in this instance? Simple. I'm a game developer fan... I am a fan of certain main production houses and will generally buy a console when a single game by that developer is released... Kojima is one of my favourite developers, he keeps going until he gets it right and doesn't mind delaying games to make them better.


YOU LOSE]/b]

Lol, I'm still waiting for a link to the source that says difinitively that those scenes are not pre-rendered and are infact in-game. Bluff all you want, it's not fooling me. And if I'm not mistaken it was proven his claims of those being in-game shots were invalid at the time and bragging on his behalf. He's a braggard, plain and simple and is not above lying either.