microsoft giving up japan?

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Shameless on 02 June 2008

There are more Japanese oriented games coming out for the 360 than the PS3 this year.

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EaglesEye379 on 02 June 2008

With Japanese consumers always being loyal to Japanese products (except Windows) what did you guys expect in regards to hardware? Its like the car industry, like selling GM, Ford in Japan.

The comments about software being wasted on 360 is crazy as the next step for Japanese developers is to cater to a worldwide market.

Go read what Square Enix, Capcom, Namco have all been saying, they can no longer financially make games that only sell to the Japanese market, unless they are being financially bumped by companies such as Sony and Microsoft. Which is what is happening to Namco, they need Microsoft to help push worldwide sales. HD JRPGs clearly cant do this with PS3 alone, not to mention the higher development costs for the PS3 kit.

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*bleu-ocelot* on 02 June 2008

starcraft said:

*bleu-ocelot* said:

NJ5 said:

MikeB said:
The 360 is braindead in Japan. MGS4's first week sales will probably crush the 360's best selling game's LTD for Japan, Blue Dragon. And Blue Dragon has outdone the second best selling 360 game for Japan by about 2 to 1.

IMO high end ambitious Japanese targeted content on the PS3 and lowend demanding content targeted at PS2 and Wii makes much more sense, rather than wasting Japanese talent on creating 360 games for Japan.

To tell the truth, both HD consoles are dead in Japan. It's no coincidence that Japanese developers are the first to start shifting support to the Wii. If your game only (or mostly) appeals to Japanese gamers, there's no justification to make it PS3 or 360, as Sega has already learned with Yakuza 3.

There's no way a Japanese-oriented game can be profitable on the HD consoles.

360 is dead even with all those JRPG's,but the PS3 hasn't had a single game that would appeal to the Japenese mass market."There's no way a Japanese-oriented game can be profitable on the HD consoles."?? Well MGS4 disagrees.Its already shown strong pre-order numbers.

It would appear that Lost Odyssey is profitable based on its sales.

But you will find that MGS4 isn't Japan-orientated at all. IF you look at past sales of the series, you can see its never broken a million in Japan.

Each Mgs game has sold enough copies in Japan alone,to be profitable.

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NJ5 on 02 June 2008

Imperial said:

Please forgive me when I say I have no idea what your talking about , software support for the PS3 (which apeal the japanesse is mininam) . If the PS3 had the 360s line up of Japanese games then I wouldn't be able to argue this.

Here are some PS3 games which were supposed to sell better in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12310

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2609

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13543

The point is that currently, the PS3 and 360 are nothing more than niche consoles in Japan.

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NJ5 said:

Imperial said:

Please forgive me when I say I have no idea what your talking about , software support for the PS3 (which apeal the japanesse is mininam) . If the PS3 had the 360s line up of Japanese games then I wouldn't be able to argue this.

Here are some PS3 games which were supposed to sell better in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12310

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2609

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13543

The point is that currently, the PS3 and 360 are nothing more than niche consoles in Japan.

And here is an even more telling example:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=18897

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starcraft said:

NJ5 said:

Imperial said:

Please forgive me when I say I have no idea what your talking about , software support for the PS3 (which apeal the japanesse is mininam) . If the PS3 had the 360s line up of Japanese games then I wouldn't be able to argue this.

Here are some PS3 games which were supposed to sell better in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12310

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2609

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13543

The point is that currently, the PS3 and 360 are nothing more than niche consoles in Japan.

And here is an even more telling example:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=18897

VC is a SRPG and it has sold really well for a SRPG. It has already outsold Disgaea 3, even though Disgaea is a proven franchise and VC is a new IP.

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*bleu-ocelot* on 02 June 2008

NJ5 said:

Imperial said:

Please forgive me when I say I have no idea what your talking about , software support for the PS3 (which apeal the japanesse is mininam) . If the PS3 had the 360s line up of Japanese games then I wouldn't be able to argue this.

Here are some PS3 games which were supposed to sell better in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12310

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2609

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13543

The point is that currently, the PS3 and 360 are nothing more than niche consoles in Japan.

You cant be serious with that list.The 360 is niche,but the PS3's sucess is determined by its software not because it's an HD console.A game(s) that appeals to the mass market and not just to a certain audience will be the benefactor.

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EaglesEye379 on 02 June 2008

Even Kojima said himself that Western developers are ahead of the game.

Unless things drastically change in the developers community, I think its more a case of Japan better hope Microsoft does not give up on them, or HD Japanese games are going to go another step backwards. SCEJ is being overly cautious with their resources at the moment.

EDIT: By the way, Kojima is in London today and New York next week. If you are one of the 300 who gets in the queue, maybe you can ask him these questions? lol

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NJ5 on 02 June 2008

*bleu-ocelot* said:

You cant be serious with that list.The 360 is niche,but the PS3's sucess is determined by its software not because it's an HD console.A game(s) that appeals to the mass market and not just to a certain audience will be the benefactor.

What's wrong with the list? It's just supposed to show that even PS3 games which are supposed to do well in Japan, have mostly flopped. What's this mass market savior you have in mind? Don't quote me on this, but Everybody's Golf is a pretty mainstream game and it did nothing to save the PS3 there. Monster Hunter 3 would probably have boosted the PS3, but it's now a Wii exclusive.

FFXIII is probably PS3's last hope for Japan, and only god knows when that one's coming out.

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Imperial on 02 June 2008

NJ5 said:

Imperial said:

Please forgive me when I say I have no idea what your talking about , software support for the PS3 (which apeal the japanesse is mininam) . If the PS3 had the 360s line up of Japanese games then I wouldn't be able to argue this.

Here are some PS3 games which were supposed to sell better in Japan:

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12310

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2609

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13543

The point is that currently, the PS3 and 360 are nothing more than niche consoles in Japan.

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