A: Ubi gave a range. I wanted specifics. Thats quite a range you know?

B. "

• 25% (aka $15) goes to pay the art and design guys.
• 20% ($12) goes to pay the programmers and the engineers.
• 20% (also $12) goes to your friendly neighborhood retailer. EB / GameStop, whoever.
• 11.5% ($7) goes to a "Console Owner Fee" - ie. whichever one of the Big Boys made your hardware (Sony, MS, Nintendo.)
• 7% ($4) goes to marketing, and puts Mad World and Marcus Fenix on MTV.
• 5% ($3) goes to "market development" -- paying for cardboard Standees of the Gears Crew and elbowing other games out of the way for shelf space at your local retailer.
• 5% ($3) goes to actually manufacturing and packaging the disc.
• 5% ($3) is spent paying the Man for IP licenses or maybe hiring some big name voice actors. If your game isn't an original IP, here's where you get dinged by Marvel, Disney, or Ray Liotta's agent.
• 1.5% (just $1) goes into the publisher's pocket.
• 1.5% (also $1) goes into the distributor's pocket.
• 0.3% (about 20 cents) goes into corporate costs. Management, overhead, lawyers, etc.
• 0.05% (less than 3 cents) go into the cost of paying for the Developer's Hardware. Who knew an SDKs can cost tens of thousands of dollars? "

Marketing expenses are accounted for already outside of the development budget but inside the cost of the game. I also meant if you can't pin the development costs then you can't say how many units must be sold to break even.

C. Marketing expenses See above.

"As for why Wii doesn't get big budget games, that's simple. They take 2-3 years of planning and development. How long has Wii been out? 18 months. Prior to launch publishers had Wii written off completely and had no big budgets allocated for it. Resource allocation and long term planning from 2005-2006 are the answer."

Thats true. I can't dispute that at all. Probably explains quite a few things about the third party offerings.

Maybe.  People have been saying this for a while.  I'd be more inclined to believe it if developers stopped saying bad things about the Wii.

I wasn't arguing about Ubi again.

I was talking to Soriku about why he flipped out on me, calling me "dude" and all that good stuff...

I've known all along that Ubi puts out crap on the Wii, I've never denied that.  I've denied the Whining about it, but that's a whole different story.

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That's it.

I quit arguing, now can we get back to talking, which is what I thought we were doing?

I think we have full rights to voice our complaints.  They're exploiting the new audience for profit to fund projects not slated for the same audience console.  It's insulting.

No other industry in the world operates on this same business model.

Great.

Not only are they a good developer, they're using their business strategy to blaze a new trail in terms of making money.

@ Viper

Also, you do have the right to voice complaints.

But to call a company "Ubicrap", or "Ubishit", isn't voicing complaints, it's insulting the company and whining.

There is a difference from being heard to degrading a company. Or going further and hoping that a company fails.

Even if they were (whish doesn't really matter) the fact that it's ignoring an audience clamoring for that kind product is the issue here. You ignoring that just makes it look as though you are bashing the Wii, because you are pretending this disrespect for the Wii is not an issue.

@DMJ

I've never seen you like this before, dude. Everyone knows you're a PS3 fanboy (even if you don't own one), but this Wii-bash/Ubi Defense Force stuff is a bit ridiculous - wasn't expecting this from you.

RolStoppable said: DMeisterJ said: Soriku said: That's it, I quit arguing with you because you just don't understand. Just see tres' post. /Soriku vs. DMJ That's it. I quit arguing, now can we get back to talking, which is what I thought we were doing? DMeisterJ, you are exactly the opposite of a "Blitzgneißer".

What does that word mean?  

I'm not Austrian