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Bored4life on 01 June 2008
merkh66 said:
Bored4life said:
jman8 said:
@ Bored4life, I'm glad you're willing to backup your points with such zeal. I told you what I've been hearing on the 'net: "Ubisoft is using Wii shovelware to fund PS360 projects." That's quite the opposite from "Ubisoft is losing mad moneyz on the Imagine Babyz"

They did it with RRR and Red Steel money they gained from launch,however they aren't making that money anymore.

Also.Still no links.


Yea, none of the profit from the PS360 games goes toward making future games. PS the wii games are funded through dotations.

 

Here's a PS for you.

PS:You've made up so many different conflicting arguments that it's quite sad for you to say this now.There is something called a post history to check up on the few posts you have made on this site and your purpose for being here is clear.I already knew that no matter what is said here you would persist but I chose to be patient and refute every new argument that was brought up for the sake of clarity fror other posters.

However it seems that you have run out of arguments.Please refer back to previous posts for the refutation to your current drivel.Due to the varying anti-wii content posted this was bound to happen sooner or later.Now look back in the previous pages for the answers you don't even want in the first place.This will most likely be the status quo from now on.

Thank You Everyone.



Prediction:
Disney will make KH3 with Nintendo.Yes,KH3 will be a Disney/Nintendo crossover.

Save the industry,Kill a Hardcore gamer

Stopped buying Ubisoft games.Will not buy Red Steel 2.Let them struggle on HD. Click here for a solution:CLICK
ALERT: I have also exposed a UBI'Z'OFT viral marketer in THIS thread.Read my posts, see the set up and watch how everything crumbles on page 8. Please learn from this experience.

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merkh66 on 01 June 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening


read up on the past posts in the thread please... we've been over the stupid promise about 30 times.


Then why don't you drop the funding through crap games thing, if some of us dropped that as well? Or do you think we didn't?

An jman really fails. Trying to do more than crap on the Wii means they suddenly can't do their best on the other systems? Ubisoft is not a small publisher. They have lots of studios under them. The HAVE THE RESOURCES to make great games on the Wii as well as the HD systems.


Actually it does mean exactly that, they would either have to A) increase employment, studios, etc costing them more money- which they dont even know if it will pay off or B) Cut back on PS360 workers and have them work on Wii development giving something they know that works less room and workers, causing smaller projects and slower releases costing them money.

sc94597 on 01 June 2008

DO you know what also is screwed up. Look at posts like these. Fans of these games and ubisoft are even complaining

"I won't be here long, I only just joined up to post my opinion on the matter, as I'm sure most of you have.

Being a Gamecube supporter wasn't easy. Poor sales and reputation, not many games, no true killer app (mario, zelda etc were great games, an undeniable fact, but they weren't true system sellers), and shoddy third-party support. Except for you Ubisoft. You treated the gamecube like an equal. Even when PS2 and Xbox were blitzing ahead in sales, you didn't ignore us, you let us have some great games to enjoy, and I thank you for that.

At the start of this generation of consoles, I thought the same would happen, that we would get a great amount of support from you, and to an extent, this was true. Red Steel was a decent effort, if only hampered by being rushed for launch. Rayman Raving Rabbids was made from a platformer into a party game, which admittedly peeved me off a little, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt, after all, for a new console, you needed some warmup time. And the game turned out alright anyway.

Well, it's been long enough to wait. Where are the results Ubisoft?

You now treat the userbase of the Wii as simpletons, that will buy any of your shoddy products. Well, guess what? We are far from being like that.
There is no Hardcore audience on Wii? Absolute Bull. I'm not a casual gamer, and yet I enjoy the best of both worlds, Brain Training and Mario Galaxy. Does that make your brains implode?
1 million of us have brought Red Steel, a hardcore title no less, and now what do we have to show for it? Half-arsed ports? Nintendog Clones that aren't even half as good?
A warning to you, don't you dare bite the hand that feeds you, many Nintendo supporters are vying for your blood right now, and I don't blame them one single bit.

From now on, I will boycott every Ubisoft game I see, and I will tell everyone I know to do the same. In a gaming shop, I will enform anyone interested enough to buy a Ubisoft Wii game exactly how they treat their audience. and on the off-chance that you do make a great game again? I'll be getting it second-hand, you will not get a penny from me any longer. You now have many years of making-up to do before I will even consider using money on your name again.

Oh, and LostinBlue? Good work man, I applaud your efforts here. Keep it up!"

"What scares me about this company is that, not only are they blatantly ignoring the enraged responses from Wii owners that feel shafted by the lack of respect from this developer, but this sort of "shovel **** for profit" mentality is starting to transfer over to the other consoles.

I've waited five years....FIVE YEARS for a sequel to BG&E and when I saw that trailer at Ubidays, you couldn't slap the smile off my face. Then it wasn't coming to the Wii; I was a bit peeved but alright, since I own a 360 as well.
Then, I saw this:
http://kotaku.com/5011747/beyond-good--evil-too-difficu...quel-more-accessible
And, I kid you not, I nearly cried.

Come on, Ubi, I KNOW you are capable of quality titles. I've played BG&E, Sands of Time, Assassin's Creed....I know what you're capable of. Give us that quality. GIVE US THOSE GAMES. Don't keep dragging your name through the mud. Please?"



http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9251049315/m/4081042366/p/14

Not only is ubisoft giving the wii poor support, they are also ruining franchises like BG&E to the fans that actually bought the game.



merkh66 on 01 June 2008
Bored4life said:
merkh66 said:
Bored4life said:
jman8 said:
@ Bored4life, I'm glad you're willing to backup your points with such zeal. I told you what I've been hearing on the 'net: "Ubisoft is using Wii shovelware to fund PS360 projects." That's quite the opposite from "Ubisoft is losing mad moneyz on the Imagine Babyz"

They did it with RRR and Red Steel money they gained from launch,however they aren't making that money anymore.

Also.Still no links.


Yea, none of the profit from the PS360 games goes toward making future games. PS the wii games are funded through dotations.

 

Here's a PS for you.

PS:You've made up so many different conflicting arguments that it's quite sad for you to say this now.There is something called a post history to check up on the few posts you have made on this site and your purpose for being here is clear.I already knew that no matter what is said here you would persist but I chose to be patient and refute every new argument that was brought up for the sake of clarity fror other posters.

However it seems that you have run out of arguments.Please refer back to previous posts for the refutation to your current drivel.Due to the varying anti-wii content posted this was bound to happen sooner or later.Now look back in the previous pages for the answers you don't even want in the first place.This will most likely be the status quo from now on.

Thank You Everyone.


 What are the conflicting arguements i've made? I'd like to hear them.



ClaudeLv250 on 01 June 2008

This thread is still going?

Ubi most have planted some particularly loyal servants on this forum in anticipation of the shit hitting the fan.



Tag - "No trolling on my watch!"

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jman8 on 01 June 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening


read up on the past posts in the thread please... we've been over the stupid promise about 30 times.


Then why don't you drop the funding through crap games thing, if some of us dropped that as well? Or do you think we didn't?

An jman really fails. Trying to do more than crap on the Wii means they suddenly can't do their best on the other systems? Ubisoft is not a small publisher. They have lots of studios under them. The HAVE THE RESOURCES to make great games on the Wii as well as the HD systems.


 Okay, so if they had the resources and went ahead and made quality titles for all systems, then they would improve sales for all their systems and they would therefore make more money. Correct? If you answer yes, proceed to letter "A." If you disagree, proceed to letter "B"

 A) So why don't they do this? Is it just to spite you and your fellow Wii owners because they get more pleasure out of not making money and pissing you off than they do making you happy and making more money? Yeah, I also heard Metal Gear Solid is a true story. Actually, the twist of MGS4 is that it's actually a Blu-Ray documentary. PS3 FTW!

B) You're Eternal Darkness Insanity meter is through the roof.... I think you lost all your game saves. 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2008
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


Wait a second, I never said Ubisoft isn't/didn't lie? I said boohoo what can ya do. They are obviously in the black when it comes to Wii or their development would have been haulted or changed. What jman said could be true, they could be going for a hit or miss type scenario. It seems like the only thing you guys are mad at is a lie from an Ubi rep. Thats why i say get over it, if there was no promise can you honestly say wth Ubi stop giving us this shit? No. So pretend this lie is just like the other hundred lies you hear through the course of a day and get on with life

 

It's that they are still telling lies to justify their posotition. It's in the OP. They broke a promise. Okay. They are spinning numbers to justify that promiste breaking. If you think that's not a bad thing, you must think it's a good thing for companies to pretend markets don't exist (in this case, Wii owners who buy hardcore games). It's not a good thing, and companies throughout this industry's history have learned how foolish it is, even Nintendo in the past.


Forget about the promise already!

And so be it if they need to learn from their mistake (that is if their making one). They probably don't have the resourses to develop big time games for Wii and Ps360,

so should they stop developing for something their already good at and can easily port and therefore satisfy two systems userbases? or should they take a risk on wii.

You must think that they are retarded as a company, i know it might be hard to understand but its someones job to do this planning and strategizing between the consoles. Ubisoft is/has been a leading developer for years now so they're doing something right, sorry its not going your way... Crying doesnt fix it.


 


1) The promise comment wasn't directed to you.

2) Why would they admit their wrong?

They don't need to they're still making money, admitting they're wrong would only further repel gamers, especially if they dont plan to change anytime soon

3) They aren't a risk because they know what they're capable of,

go figure i guess years of developing with Microsoft and Sony taught them a thing or two. By spending more time on wii, they risk compromising PS360 sales which generate most of their revenue.


4) You are crying

Do you see tears? You can't, therefore that comment is bullshit. You can see our words, but that proves complaining. Not the same thing. We are mad, not greiving.

and they don't need your money, they need gamers money, apperently they are getting money from gamers too because last time i checked they arent bankrupt.



This guy is a troll for Ubisoft, so I take back all the arguments I made, since he clearly just was trying to do piss poor damage control. Instead, he just made us hate Ubisoft even more.

Some damage control.

 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

jman8 on 01 June 2008

Concerning PS3 owners getting pissed at Capcom's support for their system:

Yeah, I remember that. I also remember other more sane people calling those owners out for being irrational and a bit silly.



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

sc94597 on 01 June 2008

Also why can smaller devlopers such as platinum games balance their support for all three consoles, but ubisoft a far larger developer can't?



LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2008
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening


read up on the past posts in the thread please... we've been over the stupid promise about 30 times.


Then why don't you drop the funding through crap games thing, if some of us dropped that as well? Or do you think we didn't?

An jman really fails. Trying to do more than crap on the Wii means they suddenly can't do their best on the other systems? Ubisoft is not a small publisher. They have lots of studios under them. The HAVE THE RESOURCES to make great games on the Wii as well as the HD systems.


Okay, so if they had the resources and went ahead and made quality titles for all systems, then they would improve sales for all their systems and they would therefore make more money. Correct? If you answer yes, proceed to letter "A." If you disagree, proceed to letter "B"

A) So why don't they do this? Is it just to spite you and your fellow Wii owners

I don't own any 7th gen systems. I am a gamer, and will buy 7th gen games when I get those systems. I may even get an HD system. That does not mean I have to accept this

because they get more pleasure out of not making money and pissing you off than they do making you happy and making more money?

It's that they are being lazy. They could do so, but they should fucking come out and say they don't want to make the effort.

Yeah, I also heard Metal Gear Solid is a true story. Actually, the twist of MGS4 is that it's actually a Blu-Ray documentary. PS3 FTW!

B) You're Eternal Darkness Insanity meter is through the roof.... I think you lost all your game saves.


I think A, because quality games have sold on the Wii. Ubisoft just decided that isn't the case, despite the facts. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs