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Is it true that nintendo has no debt? that would be incredible, makes me wonder how they can pull billions of dollars out of their own pocket for development, advertising campaigns and services. (I'm being serious, I don't think they are debt free, but it'd be amazing business if they were)

I don't think your theory is correct Deeds, I believe (like largedarrryl before me) that if the theory were correct, it'd be highly illegal and grossly unethical.



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CAL4M1TY said:
Is it true that nintendo has no debt? that would be incredible, makes me wonder how they can pull billions of dollars out of their own pocket for development, advertising campaigns and services. (I'm being serious, I don't think they are debt free, but it'd be amazing business if they were)

I don't think your theory is correct Deeds, I believe (like largedarrryl before me) that if the theory were correct, it'd be highly illegal and grossly unethical.


Nintendo has no debt, Microsoft has no debt either. Furthermore, Nintendo pays out much bigger cash dividends than Sony to their shareholders every year.

 



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These "analysts" are simply paid to back Sony.


oh bullshit.



There is a simple reason that "analysts" are always rooting for Sony. It's because Sony is the horse that they backed in the beginning and that they don't want to be wrong. That's all. It's an ego thing. No conspiracies. No reading between any lines.



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s it true that nintendo has no debt? that would be incredible,


??? why should it be incredible. The nice things about companies is that they MAKE MONEY. Most of them do it every year. Sony for example and Microsoft. Imagine that. Its called profit. Companies do not make debt because they cannot pay for advertisement but to lower and diversify financial risks and to have better tax options.



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NJ5 said:
CAL4M1TY said:
Is it true that nintendo has no debt? that would be incredible, makes me wonder how they can pull billions of dollars out of their own pocket for development, advertising campaigns and services. (I'm being serious, I don't think they are debt free, but it'd be amazing business if they were)

I don't think your theory is correct Deeds, I believe (like largedarrryl before me) that if the theory were correct, it'd be highly illegal and grossly unethical.


Nintendo has no debt, Microsoft has no debt either. Furthermore, Nintendo pays out much bigger cash dividends than Sony to their shareholders every year.

 


Here we go, page 7: http://www.nintendo.com/corp/report/FY07FinancialResults.pdf

As you can see, practicaly all of there credit comes from their own share. The (small) remainder are current liabilities.

Edit: @Kyros.

I must be honest, in the name of my study I had to look at several companies' balance sheet, and Nintendo is the first I see with no outstanding debt whatsoever.

You are right that making a profit (which usually on the balance sheet ends up in the credit section off the balance sheet under the shareholder's equity/retained earnings and that is what finances all other operations. But a lot of companies find it more usefull at times to take out a loan instead of selling more shares - in fear of deluding value, making it easier for companies to buy them out, etc.

So it is really impressive that Nintendo can safely finance it's operations from income alone.



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Nate said:
I think Deeds has a high chance of being correct if Malestrom is right in saying that private analysts are that much different than public analysts. However the banks that issue these reports are probably far more concerned about Sony buying new debt from them than worrying about Sony paying it back. Remember, banks are in the business of debt creation.

And to all the dumb-asses on this thread, a CONFLICT OF INTEREST is not a CONSPIRACY.


Now it is true that banks are in the business of debt creation, but they are also in the business of not letting the borrower default on their loan. Banks cannot stop the success of a product (like the Wii), but they can pay analysts to calm investors and consumers fears to protect the borrower.

BTW, Wedbush Morgan Securities is a wholly owned subsidiary of Wedbush inc. who has a division (Wedbush Bank) that lends money to businesses and are involved in the bond market.

Additionally, Nintendo has no debt. They operate outside the banking industry.



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Deeds said:
bbsin said:
@ Deeds - I don't think you have an idea of how Sony makes money in the first place. I don't know how long you've been investing but I've been trading stocks for quite a while and believe me when I say this: Sony is not the only company in "debt" and still continue to run their business at a high level, ESPECIALLY in their industry. There is a reason why Sony has an enormous finance department (probably bigger than all of the electronics manufactures in the world), if Sony really wanted to get rid of all their debt (like America) they would. The only problem is that it's not on the top of their CFO's "to do" list, there are better ways to put money in their pocket's (unfortunately the majority of their pocket's are those pesky execs) given the large revenue Sony can create. Razor thin profits, debt, crap equity returns, are all too common in the industries that Sony participates, the majority of investors know this. If Sony were a micro corporation without a history and did not have many many different ways to generate returns then yes, Debt would handcuff them. But saying that Sony is actually in bad shape or handcuffed because of the 3 billion in debt (last time i checked) is pretty ignorant. Now this doesn't mean I'm saying that Sony is in a carefree great situation and every is dandy for them, but they sure as hell aren't handcuffed, espeicially given the point that they could get a financial backing from many sources.

With that said, you are right about one thing. Analyst are bias and do get paid for their reports, but assuming that Sony are the only ones that do this stuff is stupid.

I'll just say this... Sony does not have a total debt of 3 billion dollars. It's significantly higher than that.

......typically when you're evaluating a stock/company (as an investor) you go by Total cash - Total Debt. I'm not even going to check up on it right now but I assure you, the difference you'll get is around 3 billion. I really hope you weren't JUST looking at the debt (something that I've never seen anyone do before) and ignoring the total cash on Sony, because that would really hurt your credibility in terms of figuring out a company's balance sheet and "health". With that being said, with just the ratio alone, you'll know that it's certainly possible (like i said before) that Sony could pay off their debt IF they wanted to. Neither of this matters because like I've said before, a company like Sony could be in debt but none of it would matter since it's not the biggest conern for investors ATM. I wish analysing stocks and balance sheets were as easy as you seem to make it, then I wouldn't of had to go through all the growing pains (and loses) as an investor during all those early years.

I bet you must be wrapping your head around how Sony could be in so much debt (by ignoring the total cash) yet they continue to get bank support, investor support, institutional support and all this while the stock price hasn't fell of the table yet huh?



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