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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Mifely, You said a "colossal" number of Wii owners would have at least 1 other console. You're the one making the wacky claims. You're the one who needs to prove it. We don't believe you.

 

Actually, to quote myself, I said it was "possible that a colossal number of households" owned both. I don't need to "prove" anything about that statement of possiblity. In any case, let me put down some crazy other possiblities for the readers of this post to ponder:

* Many gamers who put the $ down to purchase a 360 or PS3 can probably afford a Wii as well.

* Many gamers who own a 360 or PS3 probably enjoy Nintendo titles, like SMG and Zelda, just to start.

* To suppose that most Wiis owners do not own a 360 (in America) is also to suppose that (in America) most 360 owners do not own a Wii, since the number of 360s still exceeds the number of Wiis (in America). 

* I think its a pretty big assumption to make, assuming that a gamer who enjoys his 360/PS3 doesn't like Mario, and cannot afford a Wii or hasn't been able to get one by now.

 

I think presuming that "most households only own one console" is a pretty big leap.  I'd like to see, at the least, some good reasoning for that -- I haven't yet!

Nintendo has recently stated that 97% of the voters on the Wii voting channel are male -- that's pretty interesting, considering that the Wii isn't appealing to 360/PS3 owners, by your assumptions.  Lots of males comprising the casual audience the Wii embraces, but shunning the HD consoles?  They want a Wii but not a 360/PS3, do you suppose?

I smell fanboy science in the assumption that a significant number of Wii owners (not necessarily a majority, but I think its likely) do not also own a 360/PS3.



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LongLiveTheBeatles said:

A more likely event is that the wii will continue selling at the current rate but losing a tiny bit of market share whenever a huge AAA game comes out for the PS3 or 360. I think it will level out at 48% and stay there will the PS3 at 27% and the 360 at 25%.


Oh, you mean like the Wii lost market share when GTA IV came out?

Dream on!



Grampy said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:

A more likely event is that the wii will continue selling at the current rate but losing a tiny bit of market share whenever a huge AAA game comes out for the PS3 or 360. I think it will level out at 48% and stay there will the PS3 at 27% and the 360 at 25%.


Oh, you mean like the Wii lost market share when GTA IV came out?

Dream on!


The Nintendo hasn't increased production yet. So you would have no way of knowing if that was true or not until the Wii has a consistant supply in the U.S



Tease.

I think that's already happened in Japan. Others will be soon.

 



damkira said:

I think that's already happened in Japan. Others will be soon.

 


 Wii's marketshares.

 

Japan: 69.17%

Americas: 40.75%

Others: 41.52%

Worldwide:  45.36%



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Mifely said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Mifely, You said a "colossal" number of Wii owners would have at least 1 other console. You're the one making the wacky claims. You're the one who needs to prove it. We don't believe you.

 

Actually, to quote myself, I said it was "possible that a colossal number of households" owned both. I don't need to "prove" anything about that statement of possiblity. In any case, let me put down some crazy other possiblities for the readers of this post to ponder:

* Many gamers who put the $ down to purchase a 360 or PS3 can probably afford a Wii as well.

* Many gamers who own a 360 or PS3 probably enjoy Nintendo titles, like SMG and Zelda, just to start.

* To suppose that most Wiis owners do not own a 360 (in America) is also to suppose that (in America) most 360 owners do not own a Wii, since the number of 360s still exceeds the number of Wiis (in America). 

* I think its a pretty big assumption to make, assuming that a gamer who enjoys his 360/PS3 doesn't like Mario, and cannot afford a Wii or hasn't been able to get one by now.

 

I think presuming that "most households only own one console" is a pretty big leap.  I'd like to see, at the least, some good reasoning for that -- I haven't yet!

Nintendo has recently stated that 97% of the voters on the Wii voting channel are male -- that's pretty interesting, considering that the Wii isn't appealing to 360/PS3 owners, by your assumptions.  Lots of males comprising the casual audience the Wii embraces, but shunning the HD consoles?  They want a Wii but not a 360/PS3, do you suppose?

I smell fanboy science in the assumption that a significant number of Wii owners (not necessarily a majority, but I think its likely) do not also own a 360/PS3.

  

The Wii costs more than the GameCube.

The PS3 costs more than the PS2.

The 360 costs more than the XBox.

 

I'd assume that due to all 3 companies raising their console price from the 6th generation to the 7th while the value of the dollar is decreasing, the % of households with multiple consoles would decrease from the 6th generation to the 7th.  Especially since 2 of the consoles have raised their standard game price from $50 to $60.

Unless of course you're talking about how this is the first generation with a 2 vs. 1 split, in that 2 are very similar and one is just ridiculously different.  Even so, that's an advantage for the Wii and nobody else.  Wii60 and PSWii combinations are much much more common than a PS360 combination in a single household.

 

I can't seem to find any statistics on a number of consoles per household, except some survey from May 2006 that says Seattle has more games per household than any other city.

 

 



Mifely said:

The idea of "50% market share" by comparing raw sales is pretty messed up. The Wii, being the cheapest console of this generation and a direct successor/replacement of the GameCube, probably co-exists in a colossal number of instances with a 360, a PS3, or both.

Given a choice, users will probably choose the 360 or PS3 as their platform of choice for cross-platform releases (for obvious reasons).

 

"Market share", in the long-run, is really about software, not hardware. Comparing the three current-gen consoles as if most users only owned one exclusively is pretty much the definition of "bad science", especially at this relatively early stage. The only way you could claim one console has definate strangehold on marketshare, for a given console generation (lets not include the PS2, please), would be to take that consoles #s and subtract the sum of its competition first -- this would still put the Wii in the negatives at this moment. That might at least provide a decent starting basis.

The fact that the 360 and PS3 are so superior to the Wii, technologically, goes a long way to favor users spending $60 on the HD version of a cross-platform game, as opposed to the "practically last-gen" Wii version at $50, as well. Essentially, any household which owns a Wii, and also a PS3 or 360, will see the Wii's market penetration in that household trumped for cross-platform releases.

Much of the Wii's current number advantage over the HD consoles is due to its price, and a solid round of 1st party releases by Nintendo early on. Imagining that people will choose Wii software over 360 or PS3 software of higher caliber is pretty presumptuous. In that sense, the Wii can never truly "beat" its competition. Its not a good enough console to cover the more fervent gamers decently. The Wii can *be* beaten, however. Although that does seem to look less and less likely, assuming that it gets some decent non-casual titles here and there.

 


 You can't be serious. You haven't made many posts on this site so I guess you can get a free pass. Maybe you haven't developed a sarcasm generator yet. I might as well tell you now, before the really adamant posters start roastin'.



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Mifely said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Mifely, You said a "colossal" number of Wii owners would have at least 1 other console. You're the one making the wacky claims. You're the one who needs to prove it. We don't believe you.

 

Actually, to quote myself, I said it was "possible that a colossal number of households" owned both. I don't need to "prove" anything about that statement of possiblity. In any case, let me put down some crazy other possiblities for the readers of this post to ponder:

* Many gamers who put the $ down to purchase a 360 or PS3 can probably afford a Wii as well.

* Many gamers who own a 360 or PS3 probably enjoy Nintendo titles, like SMG and Zelda, just to start.

* To suppose that most Wiis owners do not own a 360 (in America) is also to suppose that (in America) most 360 owners do not own a Wii, since the number of 360s still exceeds the number of Wiis (in America). 

* I think its a pretty big assumption to make, assuming that a gamer who enjoys his 360/PS3 doesn't like Mario, and cannot afford a Wii or hasn't been able to get one by now.

 

I think presuming that "most households only own one console" is a pretty big leap.  I'd like to see, at the least, some good reasoning for that -- I haven't yet!

Nintendo has recently stated that 97% of the voters on the Wii voting channel are male -- that's pretty interesting, considering that the Wii isn't appealing to 360/PS3 owners, by your assumptions.  Lots of males comprising the casual audience the Wii embraces, but shunning the HD consoles?  They want a Wii but not a 360/PS3, do you suppose?

I smell fanboy science in the assumption that a significant number of Wii owners (not necessarily a majority, but I think its likely) do not also own a 360/PS3.


I smell that you are using fanboy science, care to provide a link to that statement?

It´s common knowledge that before this gen most console owners bought only one console and now suddenly this has changed?

Provide a link or accept a trolling tag.



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Mifely said:
Kasz216 said:
Mifely said:

The idea of "50% market share" by comparing raw sales is pretty messed up. The Wii, being the cheapest console of this generation and a direct successor/replacement of the GameCube, probably co-exists in a colossal number of instances with a 360, a PS3, or both.

Given a choice, users will probably choose the 360 or PS3 as their platform of choice for cross-platform releases (for obvious reasons).

 

"Market share", in the long-run, is really about software, not hardware. Comparing the three current-gen consoles as if most users only owned one exclusively is pretty much the definition of "bad science", especially at this relatively early stage. The only way you could claim one console has definate strangehold on marketshare, for a given console generation (lets not include the PS2, please), would be to take that consoles #s and subtract the sum of its competition first -- this would still put the Wii in the negatives at this moment. That might at least provide a decent starting basis.

The fact that the 360 and PS3 are so superior to the Wii, technologically, goes a long way to favor users spending $60 on the HD version of a cross-platform game, as opposed to the "practically last-gen" Wii version at $50, as well. Essentially, any household which owns a Wii, and also a PS3 or 360, will see the Wii's market penetration in that household trumped for cross-platform releases.

Much of the Wii's current number advantage over the HD consoles is due to its price, and a solid round of 1st party releases by Nintendo early on. Imagining that people will choose Wii software over 360 or PS3 software of higher caliber is pretty presumptuous. In that sense, the Wii can never truly "beat" its competition. Its not a good enough console to cover the more fervent gamers decently. The Wii can *be* beaten, however. Although that does seem to look less and less likely, assuming that it gets some decent non-casual titles here and there.


Most people do only own one console. So your entire premise is flawed.


Really? Would that console be... a PS2? Maybe you'd like to provide some basis for your statement. I merely stated that its possible that multiple consoles cover many of the households. You seem to have some proof that this is not that case? Lets see it -- seriously, it would be beneficial to all if you could share this info.


Consumers largely only buy one console per generation. It's a widely known and accepted fact. The last NPD study put it at 5% in the US. 

That number is going to go down not up as those that are less hardcore (the majority of console owners) are going to enter the market. That PS2 crowd who is happy to own PS2 only.

This was not just true last generation but every generation up till the NES entered the Market.

In fact in Japan the NES was so popular it killed of the Sega Gensis when it was released. The need for 16 bit graphics which I would argue was way more of a leap then the difference between SD and HD grahics weren't enough to motivate a move.



Squilliam said:
Grampy said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:

A more likely event is that the wii will continue selling at the current rate but losing a tiny bit of market share whenever a huge AAA game comes out for the PS3 or 360. I think it will level out at 48% and stay there will the PS3 at 27% and the 360 at 25%.


Oh, you mean like the Wii lost market share when GTA IV came out?

Dream on!


The Nintendo hasn't increased production yet. So you would have no way of knowing if that was true or not until the Wii has a consistant supply in the U.S


Sorry to be so slow but I just can' follow the logic there. LongLiveTheBeatles claimed that the Wii would lose market share whenever a AAA game came out on PS360. I rather sarcastic questioned on the basis that the Wii hadn't gone down as a result of GTA IV (AAA if there is such a thing) but in fact had increased.

Now you bring up the question of steady supply which is indeed an issue although I can only see it as artifically holding back Wii sales not increasing them. To me that means that the Wii might have lost  or gained LESS market share because of supply constraints artifically hiding an increaase that otherwise would have happpened but I do not see how it could artifically cause an increase. So when Wii's percentage went upduring GTA IV, the increase must have been real or possibly even more if supply constraints were involved.