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I was reading a thread about Microsoft moving its attention towards games that were inclined to the cartoon representation of Nintendo games and less attention on competing with the ps3 on the racing and fps genre. If this is true and MS is focusing on competing with Nintendo do they or even Sony have the ips or the potential they need to create the disruptive software Nintendo is making?

(Im concerned that MS doesn't realise a pretty cartoony game is not all that’s behind making these disruptive games that appeal to audiences that have never before played games)

There is talk about MS developing a motion control device but if Nintendo is correct it’s not just the input device but the games as well that work with the hardware that make its system disruptive. Nintendo has a HUGE array of ips that have leant themselves to its business plan so what I want to know is if MS and Sony changed their business model to attract the consumers Nintendos blue ocean strategy has, do they have the software to back up the hardware or keep these new gamers on their system???

I ask this because they seem to ride on this “hard core” gamer market with fancy shooters and racers and adventure games all geared towards a teen to adult male audience, do they have anything that would appeal to the markets Nintendo is creating or will they have to re-invent their games or new ones? If they have to make new ones, will they have the market presence of games that carry the tried and true titles of Super Mario this or super Mario that, or Wii sports/ play/ fit.

I was also wondering, is it even worth them trying to take back some of Nintendos market share in the long run or would their 40 - 50 - 60 million life to date sales be enough for them as a company to decide to continue to play in the graphics whore arena?


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Who knows if they're creative enough to do it. It'll be interesting to see.



ok i also dont want wasted space from people who dont know what their talking about, I want to know games, stratergies, anything any one has regarding MS and Sonys success in the blue ocean markets, if you dont have any insight dont bother posting



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I think you would probably enjoy Sean Malstrom's articles on this topic, he actually gives a fairly convincing explanation for why MS will lose if they stand their ground and fight for this market. If you're interested in reading it (assuming you haven't yet) then I'm sure someone has the article link handy. Just ask =)



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http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=27043

Just wanted to add that MS or Sony can still try to go in the casual market.
The BIG problem is not that they can"t do it. the problem is that they will fight versus a amazingly new powerfull and installed brandname "Wii" that is already considered as THE console to buy.
It means MS and Sony need to disrupt the Ninty strategy using something NEW and not just copying the Ninty strategy (2 games with a Wiimote like controller will not be sufficient). They need something really superior AND not too expensive ...



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@ sqrl:
lol it was after i read that thread i refered to and was looking over some of malstroms articles that i thought I would post this to see if any one could give me any names of games or things ms or sony have said that might give an idea as to where they are going with their business stratergies. I love the way malstom writes! hes so good! we need people like him on vg charts!!!

@ libellule:
I dont need my original post to be re-worded in your own words, I know they have to do alot, what I want you to do is answer my questions if you have any information that can.



If at first you don't succeed, you fail

forever is a very long time... I'd stick to this generation, and yes I think neither has much chance of catching Nintendo. Overall Sony probably still has better chance than MS but its looking very slim for them too.

MS has for me succeded (particularly in US and UK) in taking PC gamers to console - FPS/shooters/strong online MP.  While they are great copiers of others strategy I agree with Nintendo comments and think MS would really struggle to compete for casual, fun games.  Also they have very bad market perception to go after that market now.  I know familes getting Wiis and to them 360 and MS = violent games for teenagers.  They'd never even think to look at the console and unlike us they don't check internet to track gaming trends.

Sony does of course have IP/history with fun family fare but has so far got itself lumped more with MS this gen than where it used to be.  But the brand is still there, they can still get out stuff like LBP and are in a far better position with IP like Jak, Sly Cooper, etc. to do so.

I think they have too big a ship to turn around now but their brand and IP does give them a chance.  MS, I feel, have near enough no chance to get that market and would likely only harm their perception in the market where they are strong - hard to imagine all those 18 to 26 year old Halo, GTA, GoW fans liking the fact their console is now for the kids!

 



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Nintendo has just expanded the ocean, not changed its color. Sony did the same thing the last 10 years.



SnowWhitesDrug said:


@ libellule:
I dont need my original post to be re-worded in your own words, I know they have to do alot, what I want you to do is answer my questions if you have any information that can.

==> Sorry to post in your thread master.

I wanted to help providing you my comment and a link to another thread but it seems you dont need them ...

Basically, you are requesting a WW exclusive informations about the MS/Sony Xmas08 and 2009 line-up and you are assuming someone will give you this information : GOOD LUCK master !



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SnowWhitesDrug said:
I was reading a thread about Microsoft moving its attention towards games that were inclined to the cartoon representation of Nintendo games and less attention on competing with the ps3 on the racing and fps genre. If this is true and MS is focusing on competing with Nintendo do they or even Sony have the ips or the potential they need to create the disruptive software Nintendo is making?

(Im concerned that MS doesn't realise a pretty cartoony game is not all that’s behind making these disruptive games that appeal to audiences that have never before played games)


I always thought the cartoony representation was more of a counter against the "uncanny valley" effect more than anything else.  What does everyone else think?