ssj12 said: Foshoryuken said: He doesn't know the PC market? What do you do that makes you know more than developers? Play PC games? Chat on a video game forum? I'm sorry but I still think your in the minority with SSJ12.  Sorry he is just a developer, not the main publisher. If a publisher, M$, felt the PC market was a bad place gears PC wouldnt exist.

LOL! Then what are you to make you think you know it all. Please enlighten me on this. This will be good.

Final-Fan said: ssj12 said: Final-Fan said: ssj12 said: Final-Fan said: ssj12 said: Final-Fan said: ssj12 said: We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play. I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support. I'm not talking about flash games.... so none of the games I am talking about. Oh? Then what did you mean? And why not flash games? If you want to include flash games fine. That jsut opened a new level of games. The Ps3 does not support them, well most due to an out of date web app. The Wii probably does to an extent to what has been optimized for the controller. But I am talking about text based games (muds, text-based strategy, etc), web-launched games like the indie title Gunz the Duel and the web based MMO Fighting game Bots. So "web based games"="browser based games" after all. Why is it that you say that the PS3/Wii cannot handle these? Have fun typing in a mud on the Wii. Have fun running a game that is installed on your HDD that needs a web based codex to both launch and login to the product only available on that website. Have fun when the PS3 web browser if you find a more graphically enhanced flash game, that supports only Flash 7 when the rest of the world is on Flash 9,makes the browser run out of the 10mbs of ram that the PS3 web browser is allowed to use. Hey, it was a serious question.  But doesn't the Wii support keyboards? And I didn't know that about the PS3's browser.  But that could be improved in future updates, right?  Still, a good answer.

 Sadly the PS3 is the only one that supports a legit keyboard but the 360 has a keypad that plugs into the controller but thats all. 

As for improvements, they can update the flash but they are wanting to keep the ram use for the hypervision OS down to a minimum. So that can't be easily fixed.

nvm: naz brought it to my attention that the Wii does support a keyboard, but it should still be limited to ram useage like the PS3. I asked Naz about flash support and jsut like the PS3, its only flash 7. Of course a lot of flash games have been made specifically for the Wii. It of course can't handle the advanced browser games.

TheRealMafoo said: Leni said: PC has also outsold the ps2 since 2000, so it is the real winner of gaming so Ps2 isn't the winner of gaming genearation but the PC!!! if the majority of people could use the PC just for gaming, companies could never be bothered to release consoles!  Cell phones have outsold every console, and all PC's combined, and they all play games. So the winner last generation, and this generation, is the Cell Phone. Ok, now that we have that solved, I am going to bed :p

YESSSSSSS, you are so true!!! cell phone is the winner of every gaming generation!! take that PC!! :p

 

ok, delete this topic, we are going to open a new one, about cell phones!! : )

Australia has more cell phones then people.

naznatips said: Final-Fan said: All I can say against that is that the PC has for several years now experienced an explosion of potential due to the Internet going broadband and that I'm not at all convinced that gaming will fail to find a way to exploit that as well or find some other way to keep up. Probably not in the exact same way, due to factors you mentioned among others, but personally I'm just as happy happier having physical stuff. On the other hand, If the next Wii decides to do online distribution, can even Wal-mart tell them not to do it? I doubt it. I have to say though that "no disc changing" is a real dinosaur. I mean, we all remember Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX but surely the pain has faded by now! Well, unless console pricing takes an entirely new direction, Wal-mart can and will. Last I heard the retail profit on each console sale is literally a few bucks. Retailers sell consoles to sell peripherals and games. Not because they make profits on the consoles themselves. As far as the disc changing complaint: I currently have 14 games on Steam. I can launch any of them at any time. I can also join a friend playing a game right from my instant message with them. In fact, I can join their server directly with just one click. No new discs, no launching and navigating menus, nothing. Surely you won't deny this convenience. As a side note: A console focusing on digital distribution wouldn't have anywhere near Wii success. To the contrary, the Wii's success is based on the offline multiplayer. Not the online.

I didn't mean entirely digital distribution.

Speaking of DD, how much space do those games take up? How long does it take to put another game on it if you want to play one you don't have on the PC anymore? I have only used Steam a few times so I really don't know. How do you know they will always be available? Does the publisher have the ability to "recall" a game?

I must admit I did misunderstand what you meant by disc changing.

The online gaming stuff is definitely superior; I can only hope that consoles will catch up in the next great leap. Their capacity for incremental advances is understandably limited.

And I stand by my central assertion in the quoted material.

Wauw,what a thread,I was expecting this since long ago seeing how both of you (ssj12&Naz) praise the PC,you deploy in full rampage here guys,nice statements and good numbers all around.

Both of you show your true faces!!!
Ultimate PC-fanboys :P

I really want to get in the PC gaming but I don't have your hardware's knowledge :(

Foshoryuken said: ssj12 said: Foshoryuken said: He doesn't know the PC market? What do you do that makes you know more than developers? Play PC games? Chat on a video game forum? I'm sorry but I still think your in the minority with SSJ12.  Sorry he is just a developer, not the main publisher. If a publisher, M$, felt the PC market was a bad place gears PC wouldnt exist. LOL! Then what are you to make you think you know it all. Please enlighten me on this. This will be good.

I'll speak for SSj12

Becuz I playz the pc vide gam and chat on vide gam forum! U Noober!!

I knows more than some stupid idiot who's a huge part of the video game industry and acually makes games.

Signed, SSJ12

:)

FaRmLaNd said: Australia has more cell phones then people.

 no Japan does. They also have the craziest game ever.

OT7 said: Wauw,what a thread,I was expecting this since long ago seeing how both of you (ssj12&Naz) praise the PC,you deploy in full rampage here guys,nice statements and good numbers all around. Both of you show your true faces!!! Ultimate PC-fanboys :P I really want to get in the PC gaming but I don't have your hardware's knowledge :(

 we will help plus there are many titles that dont take much to run.

ssj12 said: FaRmLaNd said: Australia has more cell phones then people. no Japan does. They also have the craziest game ever.

http://news.smh.com.au/technology/australia-now-has-more-cell-phones-than-people-official-figures-show-20080428-2958.html

 

:P