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Final-Fan on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
I think Cliff B would know more.

That is why he makes millions off of PC games and you guys sit on your asses and play them.
This is the fallacy known as "appeal to authority".  Unfortunately for you CliffyB's does not extend to here. 

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ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)
Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform. Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct. There is evidence of this aplenty in my post. Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles.
We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play.
I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support. 

I'm not talking about flash games.... so none of the games I am talking about.



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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
I think Cliff B would know more.

That is why he makes millions off of PC games and you guys sit on your asses and play them.

Cliffy B has never made a PC game in his life.   You're probably thinking of Mark Rein, the owner of Epic games.  Cliffy B is a console only developer.  Honestly you are just embarassing yourself now.



Final-Fan on 19 May 2008
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)
Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform. Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct. There is evidence of this aplenty in my post. Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles.
We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play.
I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support.
I'm not talking about flash games.... so none of the games I am talking about.
Oh?  Then what did you mean?  And why not flash games? 

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amp316 on 19 May 2008

The difference between PCs and game systems is that game systems are bought for the purpose of playing games and PCs are bought by people for several reasons that usually don't include playing games. Saying that the PC is the winner in the gaming war just isn't true. PC games do not outsell console games. Not even close.



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shio on 19 May 2008
Foshoryuken said:
I think Cliff B would know more.

That is why he makes millions off of PC games and you guys sit on your asses and play them.


He knows nothing by saying PC gaming is dieing, when PC gaming is getting more and more revenue than ever.

Mark Rein, now there's a guy who knows things. I remember watching a clip and he smiled when he said UT3 was selling good on Steam.



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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support. (Side note: I can imagine that may be pretty huge next gen.)

Isn't that really a moot point that they support them if we are talking about player base?  Obviously many support them, but the player base is tiny. 

Objectively, if we just counted amount of collective time spent gaming, SSJ is absolutely correct that the PC is by far the dominant gaming platform even over the consoles and handhelds combined.



Final-Fan on 19 May 2008

I had assumed "web-based"="browser-based", but that is not the case?



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naznatips on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
I had assumed "web-based"="browser-based", but that is not the case?

No, your assumption is correct.  My point is that although these are available the actual amount of people playing them is miniscule.



ssj12 on 19 May 2008
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
naznatips said:
Foshoryuken said:
Its not PC vs PS2 or DS.

This is PC vs. Console and console is owning.

Bejewled? Give me break. If that was a nintendo game SSJ12 would be the first to dismiss is as a game. Would he not?
Oh yes, it's totally fair to pit the PC against 4 consoles *rolls eyes.* Can we do that with all consoles? NESSNESN64GCWiiGBGBCGBA vs. DS? Wow man the DS sucks.
But isn't that exactlywhat ssj12 had asserted in this thread? PC > console (collectively)
Well I'm not, I'm arguing the general superiority of PC as an individual gaming platform. Certainly in online and casual gaming though SSJ's argument is correct. There is evidence of this aplenty in my post. Not to mention outside the games that generate sales revenue there are tens of millions more people playing Solitar, flash games, and online chess than there are playing casual games on consoles.
We cannot leave out the people that are signing up and palying online-poker and all sorts of other games. There are also the web-based games that you have to sign-up to play.
I wonder how many of those web-based games the Wii and PS3 support.
I'm not talking about flash games.... so none of the games I am talking about.
Oh?  Then what did you mean?  And why not flash games? 

 If you want to include flash games fine. That jsut opened a new level of games. The Ps3 does not support them, well most due to an out of date web app. The Wii probably does to an extent to what has been optimized for the controller. 

But I am talking about text based games (muds, text-based strategy, etc), web-launched games like the indie title Gunz the Duel and the web based MMO Fighting game Bots.



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