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Well, the first one didn't do as well as I'd hoped (read: flopped)

Hoping this one pulls a little more chatter.

Can the game systems out there now shake they or their companies' stereotypes?

 Sony's 'stereotype' is pretty fresh this generation, their attitude of 'Screw 'em, they'll pay whatever price for a PS3' attitude that came with their PR pre-launch. I think it's partially caused some of their early sales woes, asides the pricing. I think it's a pretty easy stereotype to shake though, as it's only really sprouted with this gnereation, and the way things have gone has probably sobered up. If the PS3 comes back and at least takes on the 360, it will wash. If it comes in third though, I'm sure it'll be brought up in the 'Why the PS3 failed!!11' threads to spawn in future generations.

 Nintendo's Kiddie stereotype has held onto them for generations, and sadly, I don't see that changing anytime soon. While I honestly don't believe the system itself has ever been 'for kids', the amount of sentiment towards that thought has influenced a lot of releases on Nintendo systems. Even with Red Steel at launch, and soon to be Manhunt 2, Resident Evil offerings, No More Heroes, the 'kiddie' stereotype is used more as an insult, and chances are better that the world falls into global peace than a truce between fanboys, and this stereotype will continue.

Microsoft seems to have two, one surrounding more the company of Microsoft, and the other being that the Xbox is the FPS console. I really don't see much of this changing either. As far as the 'Only shooters' console, most know there's more games than that, but some of the most popular are shooters. Heck, the big system mover is a FPS. Not changing there. The other stereotype is the 'evil bully' Microsoft stereotype that (perhaps with good reason), has developed more from its software divisions business practices and the like. And sadly, as long as Microsoft itself is a massive corporation, I don't think this will ever clear up either. 



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I think Microsoft is doing a great job of shaking the shooter console stereotype and that's why I bought it, if it was a shooter only console I wouldn't have gotten the 360.

The other stereotypes I think are pretty well founded (all around).



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Nintendo has the only systems with significant growth in new demographics. So I'd say that is clear evidence that it is shaking up some stereotypes. Maybe not amongst hardcore gamers, but with the public at large.



ckmlb said:
I think Microsoft is doing a great job of shaking the shooter console stereotype and that's why I bought it, if it was a shooter only console I wouldn't have gotten the 360.

The other stereotypes I think are pretty well founded (all around).

I think that's a pretty ignorant statement about the other consoles.  All around.  But, the thing about posts like this is everyone is just going to say "oh well this stereotype is true, but this one isn't because I own this console and it's the 1337 awesomeness."  There is a small amount of truth in every stereotype, but not nearly enough to justify the stereotypes they recieve.  The fact is that these systems only recieve stereotypes from people who would prefer to have a general insult to use against the system they couldn't afford/didn't want/don't like.



naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
I think Microsoft is doing a great job of shaking the shooter console stereotype and that's why I bought it, if it was a shooter only console I wouldn't have gotten the 360.

The other stereotypes I think are pretty well founded (all around).

I think that's a pretty ignorant statement about the other consoles. All around. But, the thing about posts like this is everyone is just going to say "oh well this stereotype is true, but this one isn't because I own this console and it's the 1337 awesomeness." There is a small amount of truth in every stereotype, but not nearly enough to justify the stereotypes they recieve. The fact is that these systems only recieve stereotypes from people who would prefer to have a general insult to use against the system they couldn't afford/didn't want/don't like.


I own all 3 systems and I'm not trumpeting the horn of one over the others.

Second of all the Sony stereotype is true because the PS3 is overpriced and the Nintendo one is true because Nintendo's products are always made for all ages which ends up with many of their games being kiddie ones.

Nintendo consoles will always be dominated by Nintendo games even if all the 3rd parties bring their best games to it (which they haven't yet).

You have no right to call it an ignorant statement.



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ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
I think Microsoft is doing a great job of shaking the shooter console stereotype and that's why I bought it, if it was a shooter only console I wouldn't have gotten the 360.

The other stereotypes I think are pretty well founded (all around).

I think that's a pretty ignorant statement about the other consoles. All around. But, the thing about posts like this is everyone is just going to say "oh well this stereotype is true, but this one isn't because I own this console and it's the 1337 awesomeness." There is a small amount of truth in every stereotype, but not nearly enough to justify the stereotypes they recieve. The fact is that these systems only recieve stereotypes from people who would prefer to have a general insult to use against the system they couldn't afford/didn't want/don't like.


I own all 3 systems and I'm not trumpeting the horn of one over the others.

Second of all the Sony stereotype is true because the PS3 is overpriced and the Nintendo one is true because Nintendo's products are always made for all ages which ends up with many of their games being kiddie ones.

Nintendo consoles will always be dominated by Nintendo games even if all the 3rd parties bring their best games to it (which they haven't yet).

You have no right to call it an ignorant statement.


First, the stereotype wasn't that Sony's console was overpriced (which is technically a matter of opinion and perspective), but that they have a "Screw you" attitude.

How do you end up contradicting yourself in one sentence? "the Nintendo one is true because Nintendo's products are always made for all ages which ends up with many of their games being kiddie ones."  A game made for all ages is not a kiddie game.  A kiddie game is Hannah Montana for DS.  A Kiddie game is Yu-Gi-Oh GX on the PSP.  A game for all ages is a game for all ages.  If you still think Nintendo targets and sells to kids only, check this out http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/12/nintendo-wii-marketing-to-exceed-200-million/



naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
I think Microsoft is doing a great job of shaking the shooter console stereotype and that's why I bought it, if it was a shooter only console I wouldn't have gotten the 360.

The other stereotypes I think are pretty well founded (all around).

I think that's a pretty ignorant statement about the other consoles. All around. But, the thing about posts like this is everyone is just going to say "oh well this stereotype is true, but this one isn't because I own this console and it's the 1337 awesomeness." There is a small amount of truth in every stereotype, but not nearly enough to justify the stereotypes they recieve. The fact is that these systems only recieve stereotypes from people who would prefer to have a general insult to use against the system they couldn't afford/didn't want/don't like.


I own all 3 systems and I'm not trumpeting the horn of one over the others.

Second of all the Sony stereotype is true because the PS3 is overpriced and the Nintendo one is true because Nintendo's products are always made for all ages which ends up with many of their games being kiddie ones.

Nintendo consoles will always be dominated by Nintendo games even if all the 3rd parties bring their best games to it (which they haven't yet).

You have no right to call it an ignorant statement.


First, the stereotype wasn't that Sony's console was overpriced (which is technically a matter of opinion and perspective), but that they have a "Screw you" attitude.

How do you end up contradicting yourself in one sentence? "the Nintendo one is true because Nintendo's products are always made for all ages which ends up with many of their games being kiddie ones." A game made for all ages is not a kiddie game. A kiddie game is Hannah Montana for DS. A Kiddie game is Yu-Gi-Oh GX on the PSP. A game for all ages is a game for all ages. If you still think Nintendo targets and sells to kids only, check this out http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/12/nintendo-wii-marketing-to-exceed-200-million/


 I didn't contradict anything, I said their games usually end up kiddie when they are trying to appeal to all ages. Kiddies games could appeal to adults doesn't mean they're not kiddie.

Also the Sony sterotype works because if you think about it it's logical to think a company doesn't care about customers enough when their product is much higher priced than others competing with it. It's a logical stereotype.

  A stereotype by definition is not a fact as in these are both valid stereotypes, doesn't make them 100% facts...



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I would say Nintendo is breaking thejr sterektype the most.

But I don't agree that the Xbox stereotype is the shooter one. No there stereotype id
s the PC console. MS can't shake that while going into the console wars. It's not only customers/buyers that fuel this but devs also. That is why most 360 games are also on the PC. Or the games are what you'd expect to see on a PC. On top of that MS real,y has built it znd thrown it out in a way that it seems like a PC hooked to a TV. And i really have yet to see them try and break this at all.



Zucas said:
I would say Nintendo is breaking thejr sterektype the most.

But I don't agree that the Xbox stereotype is the shooter one. No there stereotype id
s the PC console. MS can't shake that while going into the console wars. It's not only customers/buyers that fuel this but devs also. That is why most 360 games are also on the PC. Or the games are what you'd expect to see on a PC. On top of that MS real,y has built it znd thrown it out in a way that it seems like a PC hooked to a TV. And i really have yet to see them try and break this at all.

 They're breaking this with their JRPGs and with Gears of War which is a console-centric shooter.



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ampillion said:

Nintendo's Kiddie stereotype has held onto them for generations, and sadly, I don't see that changing anytime soon. While I honestly don't believe the system itself has ever been 'for kids', the amount of sentiment towards that thought has influenced a lot of releases on Nintendo systems. Even with Red Steel at launch, and soon to be Manhunt 2, Resident Evil offerings, No More Heroes, the 'kiddie' stereotype is used more as an insult, and chances are better that the world falls into global peace than a truce between fanboys, and this stereotype will continue.

I think that is actually completely wrong.

The only reason Nintendo may have a "kiddie" stereotype, is because of their competition. MS & Sony have been more, and more focused on the "hard-core" gamer - much less than Nintendo has. It has nothing to do with Nintendo solely developing games for kids - they actually develop games for everyone (and have basically since the start of gaming).

So its not that they have a kiddie stereotype - its that they are MORE kiddie than their competition.

If you ask the average person which of the three companies is more "pro-kiddie" - the answer will always be Nintendo. Its not a stereotype - its a fact. They develop for games that kids can play ;)

If you ask the average person the same question, but for the "average person/casual gamer" - Nintendo will also win out. These are the casual gamers (i.e. my parents!).

As you say, its about fanboys (calling Nintendo 'kiddie') - and they are becoming more and more irrelevant everyday. This is the generation of the casual gamer. 



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