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JPSandhu said:
SamuelRSmith said:
JPSandhu said:
^ what it is. It survived so much. Civil war, slavery, ww1,the depression, ww2, vietnam, cold war and the bush era just recently. And an election soon where they will have the weatern worlds 1st black president.

What a ridiculous statement. Most of the world went through the depression, ww2, and the cold war (which Viet Nam was part of, and the Americans lost). The Bush era (well, the second half) was a result of this so called "great democracy".

A lot of countries have gone through civil war, and survived.

And, really, what difference does the colour of the skin make to the effectiveness of a person's ability to be president. Not to mention the fact that he hasn't even won it yet, so that's not even certain.

 


 Did you see what happened in Europe.  Countries were turning Facist in the Depression because of the political situation which the US tried to help the rest of the world while dealing with their own stuff at home.  After world war 2 countries were turning communist under the iron curtain. 

American Civil war was a remarkable story of such a huge countries became unifyed after such a horrible war. As for Obama, the rest of the world would be to racist even think of having a black president, even through all the tension between blacks and whites. Obama grew up in the hood where the most anyone could even think of becoming was drug dealer or in jail.

The USA helped defeat the Germans in the WEST while the russians won it in the EAST.  It gives out so much foreign aid, hell im happy the US is in Iraq, saddam was an asshole anyways, atleast the US tried to do something.  look noe in burma see how much aid the USA is giving the. do u relize the Most of the UN's funds come from America.

 

all anyone else want to do is bash America, for what trying to make the world a better place, the USA is the leader in disaseter responce teams across the world and after the world takes americas food, warm blankets, it's back to bush is an asshole talk, no blood for oil bullshit, Saddam is out of power and now islamic fundamentalsit came into iraq  after USA invaded making iraq the place it is today. so i blame the fundamentalist (who are fake muslims in the 1st place) in iraq for iraqs situation.  blood for oil -then why isnt the oil getting cheeper in America if America was taking all of iraqs oil.  Who fuked up africa, the europeans, who fuked up asia europeans, One mistake in Iraq and then its like USA is the worst country ever, and seem to forget all the shit they pulled.

 

wow that was way off topic 


You do realise other countries like for example CHINA, have become unified after massive wars that make the US civil war look like a skirmish?

The rest of the world would be too racist to think of having a black president? You do realise other countries do have....

Not that i'm saying all the aid after world war two wasn't a good thing... but you do realise America did most of it for not too overly noble reasons?  Not saying other countries wouldn't. The UK government also does things similar. But don't try and make out that it was some glorious gift the US handed out because it loved the world.

Oh yes... who created the US? For the most part I blame europeans!!!



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vaio said:
JPSandhu said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Moongoddess256 said:
The United States isn't a democracy. Anyone who has taken a political science class knows that. It isn't even supposed to be.

lol, this is where I was trying to mould my argument to, thanks for cutting it short ;)


maybe not supposed to be, but it is


If you know anything about democracy you would know that the US doesn´t fullfill all the requirements for being a democracy.


 *sigh* True democracies don't exist.  For the purposes of comparison with other countries in the world, yes, we have a democracy.  Just because people take political science doesn't mean that they need to bring in the pure concepts.



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BTW watching Olympic games are so boring and crap. In Australia all we get to see is Australian Olympians competing. The Australia media would show the Australian athlete finishing fifth place instead of showing the winner of the event. How biased and full of nationalist propaganda the Olympic games are, lol. I bet China will ensure Chinese athletes win the most gold medals out of all countries in the world.



ion-storm said:
JPSandhu said:
SamuelRSmith said:
JPSandhu said:
^ what it is. It survived so much. Civil war, slavery, ww1,the depression, ww2, vietnam, cold war and the bush era just recently. And an election soon where they will have the weatern worlds 1st black president.

What a ridiculous statement. Most of the world went through the depression, ww2, and the cold war (which Viet Nam was part of, and the Americans lost). The Bush era (well, the second half) was a result of this so called "great democracy".

A lot of countries have gone through civil war, and survived.

And, really, what difference does the colour of the skin make to the effectiveness of a person's ability to be president. Not to mention the fact that he hasn't even won it yet, so that's not even certain.

 


Did you see what happened in Europe. Countries were turning Facist in the Depression because of the political situation which the US tried to help the rest of the world while dealing with their own stuff at home. After world war 2 countries were turning communist under the iron curtain.

American Civil war was a remarkable story of such a huge countries became unifyed after such a horrible war. As for Obama, the rest of the world would be to racist even think of having a black president, even through all the tension between blacks and whites. Obama grew up in the hood where the most anyone could even think of becoming was drug dealer or in jail.

The USA helped defeat the Germans in the WEST while the russians won it in the EAST. It gives out so much foreign aid, hell im happy the US is in Iraq, saddam was an asshole anyways, atleast the US tried to do something. look noe in burma see how much aid the USA is giving the. do u relize the Most of the UN's funds come from America.

 

all anyone else want to do is bash America, for what trying to make the world a better place, the USA is the leader in disaseter responce teams across the world and after the world takes americas food, warm blankets, it's back to bush is an asshole talk, no blood for oil bullshit, Saddam is out of power and now islamic fundamentalsit came into iraq after USA invaded making iraq the place it is today. so i blame the fundamentalist (who are fake muslims in the 1st place) in iraq for iraqs situation. blood for oil -then why isnt the oil getting cheeper in America if America was taking all of iraqs oil. Who fuked up africa, the europeans, who fuked up asia europeans, One mistake in Iraq and then its like USA is the worst country ever, and seem to forget all the shit they pulled.

 

wow that was way off topic


You do realise other countries like for example CHINA, have become unified after massive wars that make the US civil war look like a skirmish?

The rest of the world would be too racist to think of having a black president? You do realise other countries do have....

Not that i'm saying all the aid after world war two wasn't a good thing... but you do realise America did most of it for not too overly noble reasons? Not saying other countries wouldn't. The UK government also does things similar. But don't try and make out that it was some glorious gift the US handed out because it loved the world.

Oh yes... who created the US? For the most part I blame europeans!!!


Is China a democracy?

Name a country outside of Africa with a black leader with a population of over 100,000. hell even 10, 000

Who was going to help he world if America didn't give a shit.  No one because the world was so fuked after the depression and ww2 that they could afford to give help and every country has its motives and intrests.

hell it was the europeans who raped and killed the the natives in the name of their countries in order to colonize and rape the land of its rich l resorces.

Name a country were free speech is cherished so much?  I'm not Flag humper or anything, I am a Canadian but i just kinda get pissed off when America is being made fun of for no perticlular reason.  people take the US for granted, but when a country gets invaded, when the US isn't doing it whos help do they look for.  When a tsumani of earthquake happens they look for the US for aid, but until then it is all death to America and look at those facist pigs or look at the hypocrits.  Look at france and the rest of mainland europe they get their asses saved twice and its all hate over their.



 

Every super country has their own negative or bad undoings... So the Olympics should be a good thing and should not be politicize like this. Just my personal opinion.



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JPSandhu said:
ion-storm said:
JPSandhu said:
SamuelRSmith said:
JPSandhu said:
^ what it is. It survived so much. Civil war, slavery, ww1,the depression, ww2, vietnam, cold war and the bush era just recently. And an election soon where they will have the weatern worlds 1st black president.

What a ridiculous statement. Most of the world went through the depression, ww2, and the cold war (which Viet Nam was part of, and the Americans lost). The Bush era (well, the second half) was a result of this so called "great democracy".

A lot of countries have gone through civil war, and survived.

And, really, what difference does the colour of the skin make to the effectiveness of a person's ability to be president. Not to mention the fact that he hasn't even won it yet, so that's not even certain.

 


Did you see what happened in Europe. Countries were turning Facist in the Depression because of the political situation which the US tried to help the rest of the world while dealing with their own stuff at home. After world war 2 countries were turning communist under the iron curtain.

American Civil war was a remarkable story of such a huge countries became unifyed after such a horrible war. As for Obama, the rest of the world would be to racist even think of having a black president, even through all the tension between blacks and whites. Obama grew up in the hood where the most anyone could even think of becoming was drug dealer or in jail.

The USA helped defeat the Germans in the WEST while the russians won it in the EAST. It gives out so much foreign aid, hell im happy the US is in Iraq, saddam was an asshole anyways, atleast the US tried to do something. look noe in burma see how much aid the USA is giving the. do u relize the Most of the UN's funds come from America.

 

all anyone else want to do is bash America, for what trying to make the world a better place, the USA is the leader in disaseter responce teams across the world and after the world takes americas food, warm blankets, it's back to bush is an asshole talk, no blood for oil bullshit, Saddam is out of power and now islamic fundamentalsit came into iraq after USA invaded making iraq the place it is today. so i blame the fundamentalist (who are fake muslims in the 1st place) in iraq for iraqs situation. blood for oil -then why isnt the oil getting cheeper in America if America was taking all of iraqs oil. Who fuked up africa, the europeans, who fuked up asia europeans, One mistake in Iraq and then its like USA is the worst country ever, and seem to forget all the shit they pulled.

 

wow that was way off topic


You do realise other countries like for example CHINA, have become unified after massive wars that make the US civil war look like a skirmish?

The rest of the world would be too racist to think of having a black president? You do realise other countries do have....

Not that i'm saying all the aid after world war two wasn't a good thing... but you do realise America did most of it for not too overly noble reasons? Not saying other countries wouldn't. The UK government also does things similar. But don't try and make out that it was some glorious gift the US handed out because it loved the world.

Oh yes... who created the US? For the most part I blame europeans!!!


Is China a democracy?

Name a country outside of Africa with a black leader with a population of over 100,000. hell even 10, 000

Who was going to help he world if America didn't give a shit.  No one because the world was so fuked after the depression and ww2 that they could afford to give help and every country has its motives and intrests.

hell it was the europeans who raped and killed the the natives in the name of their countries in order to colonize and rape the land of its rich l resorces.

Name a country were free speech is cherished so much?  I'm not Flag humper or anything, I am a Canadian but i just kinda get pissed off when America is being made fun of for no perticlular reason.  people take the US for granted, but when a country gets invaded, when the US isn't doing it whos help do they look for.  When a tsumani of earthquake happens they look for the US for aid, but until then it is all death to America and look at those facist pigs or look at the hypocrits.  Look at france and the rest of mainland europe they get their asses saved twice and its all hate over their.


Well if you exclude the countries in Africa.... Which I have to say seems a touch unfair.

I shall go for a few black prime ministers since their function in government is essentially that of an American president.. Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica... Would you consider people from India and Pakistan to be black? Several countries have had female presidents/prime ministers....

Don't recall ever saying China was a democracy. How about England? Spain? 

So whenever the native Americans were being killed it was Europeans... but whenever they start doing good things these Europeans suddently become Americans? Handy that isn't it?

Free speech? The U.K., Ireland, The Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, France.... The list goes on really. We just don't rant and rave about it because we expect it.

Whenever these things happen they look to the U.N. for help.

You talk like America won the first and second world war on its own.

I'm not saying any other country is innocent of everything they ever did. I'm just saying that America is not some sort of shining beacon of greatness for the rest of the world to look to. Take things into perspective a bit. It's just another country that does good and bad.



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Profcrab said:
konnichiwa said:
You know that this will happen now every time right? All that boycotting? I can already see people trying taking the Olympics flame when it is hosted in London.

And about Tibet well.... I think China will give Tibit back to the Tibetian people and the Dalai laman. When USA gives the country back to the Indians, Australians give it back to the Aboriginals etc...


Ps you should watch this two:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas&feature=related


Bravo Western World.

 The first link made me throw up in my mouth.  The only thing they were missing was "Shinny Happy People" playing in the back ground near the end.  Youtube music backed slideshows make my ass itch.  Lets not move China up to the level of Innocent Victim of Media, ok?


 But you feel alright that the Western World manipulate their news about it? (Second link).






Here i thought this thread was about the Olympics in China......

Name a positive effect that boycotting the Olympics would have?



hsrob said:
Here i thought this thread was about the Olympics in China......

Name a positive effect that boycotting the Olympics would have?

 People will hate China more, don't go there anymore . China lose money of tourism especially Tibetians will lose money to tourism.

People will go to other countries then (Western probably) so  China will lose money, Western Countries will gain money.... 

So far, I don't see any other positive effects..






Profcrab said:
vaio said:
JPSandhu said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Moongoddess256 said:
The United States isn't a democracy. Anyone who has taken a political science class knows that. It isn't even supposed to be.

lol, this is where I was trying to mould my argument to, thanks for cutting it short ;)


maybe not supposed to be, but it is


If you know anything about democracy you would know that the US doesn´t fullfill all the requirements for being a democracy.


 *sigh* True democracies don't exist.  For the purposes of comparison with other countries in the world, yes, we have a democracy.  Just because people take political science doesn't mean that they need to bring in the pure concepts.


I am not talking about true democracy just the basic requirements of democracy and the US doesn´t even fullfill all of the basic requirements for a democracy.



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