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Imperial said:
Why would I need to re-name the thread ? I'm asking for the opinions of those who believe the Wii and PS3/360 are directly competing and then debating with them.

Some don't really read past the title before they reply.

And that's all I'm writing about that. 



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TheRealMafoo said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
TheRealMafoo said:
thekitchensink said:

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Can we get a one hour ban on everyone who does this crap? I see it more and more these days. Sorry, but your opinion does not end the discussion. It's amazing how arrogant some people seem to be.


Do you just mean those who do it to their own posts, or also those who reply that way?

Just wondering.

 


I guess if you are doing it to your own post to say "Sorry for the post, it was bad topic. Let' stop posting here and move on" it would be ok. I have never once seen it used that way. it's always used to say "Here is an irrefutable response to you. No one else after this will say anything more relevant. Thread closed."

Which is crap.


Actually, I mean those that quote a post they like, and put [/thread] after that. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

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The_vagabond7 said:

If say a parent goes to Best buy thinking "I'm going to buy a videogame console for my 17 year old"

I guarantee you if a parent os going to drop 300-500 on a console for there 17 year old son, then know exactly what he wants. Also, if they get the wrong one, it's going back for the right one (unless there are other reasons they bought it).

That scenario is so small, that a gift is being purchased, and the purchaser has no clue what to get.

There is a reason these boards are filled with PS3 vs 360 fanboy arguments all day long, and not 360 vs Wii, or PS3 vs Wii arguments. The reason is they are not the same audience.

To use the car analogy someone posted above. If you got to a BMW forum, you will not see many BMW Vs. Honda threads. You might see a BMW vs. Jaguar, or BMW vs. Mercedes article however.

That's not to say Honda makes a bad car (they don't), it's just because they are not competing for the same dollar. No one who bought a BMW over a Honda feels they need to justify there purchase, because it was just an obvious choice for them.

Same with Wii or HD console buyers.



LordTheNightKnight said:

Actually, I mean those that quote a post they like, and put [/thread] after that. 


 I have never seen that done. I always see /QFT, or something like that. /thread I have always seen used to mean "end of discussion". If used in another manner, I have no opinion about its use.



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Yes, they are competing directly, no matter the functionality, power or target audience.

If it was like you said, the PS2 didn't compete with the GC and Xbox, because they had quite a difference in power, target audience and functionality. Or the 360 and PS3 are not competing because Sony targets the Sony fans, and MS targets... well, like everyone.



The_vagabond7 said:
It's irrelevant that an IPod plays games, it's a music machine. In the public eye a cellphone isn't a gaming machine. There a clear divides in the minds of the public.

Well then according to your logic 0 mobile games/ipod games would have been sold to date , that obviously isn't the case , there is a growing market for mobile games. 

If say a parent goes to Best buy thinking "I'm going to buy a videogame console for my 17 year old" they don't look at the Iphone. They aren't going to choose between a PSP and a 360. Clearly one is a handheld gaming device and the other is a home console, and are seperated as such in the store. Conversely, they aren't going to the videogame section in best buy, see that the wii, PS3, and 360 are all right next to each other and say "I guess I'll choose between a 360 and a PS3, the wii just isn't a home console." For a consumer, they are choosing between the 3 current gen consoles that compete directly with one another for shelf space at stores that sell videogames.

Your post makes many assumptions , all of which are unfounded . I  won't even bother to adress this part because of this.

Iphones don't compete with PSP and DS, you don't see them sold right next to actual hand hand gaming machines, and they don't compete for shelf space. A store doesn't decide how many Iphones to buy in relation to PSPs based on how they sell against one another, nor do they decide which will get more shelf space based on which is moving more software and making them a profit.

Doesn't matter where they are physicaly sold , competition isn't something you'll always see before your eyes. And they would decide how much shelf space each would get relative to consumer demand . 

 

But that is exactly what happens with wii, PS3 and 360. They reside in the same "aisle" if you will at wal-mart, and the store managers are deciding how many PS3s to purchase in relation to wiis, and which one they are going to give the most shelf space, based on which one is moving the most hardware and software for their business. Thusly, directly competing.

 Like I said , competition isn't physical shelf space , this doesn't mean anything . I never said the Wii and the PS3/360 don't compete you this part of your argument falls appart , I said they aren't direct competitors. The PS3 however is more of a threat to the Wii than say the Ipod or the PSP is.


 



TheRealMafoo said:

I agree with the OP. My cell phone plays games. My IPod plays games. The Zune plays games. The I-Phone plays games. None of these compete directly with the DS or PSP.

I had a thread a long time ago that asked if you really wanted a Wii, and got a PS3 or 360, would you feel your needs were met? How about vise-versa?

The answer across the board was no. If someone really wanted a 360 or PS3, and got the other one, it would be a tuff call to spend $500+ to get what your missing from the one you didn't get. Not true with the Wii vs HD consoles.

Now there are people who want both, but that's because those target audiences overlap, not because they are the same audience. I also want a cell phone, and a PSP ;) 


Your poll is absolutely meaningless. I could go on and on about why it is completely unscientific, and irrelevant to any real discussion if you want, but there is no reason for me to post it again if you won't bother reading it a second time. You have almost none of the requirements to make the poll valid.

Cell phones do not get major support from third party developers, but consoles do. Theere are only so many developent resources that can be thrown around to make games, and those resources are being divided between the Wii, DS, PSP, 360, and PS3. The goal of 3 of those consoles is purely to get big name games on their system to help sell software. So long as the Wii and DS can steal games away from the there is direct competition.



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We live in a world of limited resources, and the videogame market is no different ...

There is limited third party development resources, and every third party developer who begins an exclusive Wii game can not devote those resources towards a PS3 or XBox 360 game. As the will continues to outsell the PS3 and XBox 360 by a wide margin more and more publishers and developers will be devoting resources towards the Wii to produce Wii games which maximize the capabilities of the Wii (therefore making them exclusive games).

There is a limited number of consoles that will be bought by consumers. Most people who play videogames do not see it as their primary recreational activity (and it may not be that important to them in general); these people tend not to buy a new console as long as their current console has enough new content for them to remain entertained by the system.



TheRealMafoo said:
The_vagabond7 said:

If say a parent goes to Best buy thinking "I'm going to buy a videogame console for my 17 year old"

I guarantee you if a parent os going to drop 300-500 on a console for there 17 year old son, then know exactly what he wants. Also, if they get the wrong one, it's going back for the right one (unless there are other reasons they bought it).

That scenario is so small, that a gift is being purchased, and the purchaser has no clue what to get.

There is a reason these boards are filled with PS3 vs 360 fanboy arguments all day long, and not 360 vs Wii, or PS3 vs Wii arguments. The reason is they are not the same audience.

To use the car analogy someone posted above. If you got to a BMW forum, you will not see many BMW Vs. Honda threads. You might see a BMW vs. Jaguar, or BMW vs. Mercedes article however.

That's not to say Honda makes a bad car (they don't), it's just because they are not competing for the same dollar. No one who bought a BMW over a Honda feels they need to justify there purchase, because it was just an obvious choice for them.

Same with Wii or HD console buyers.


Not quite the same. You do get people insisting that Wii will die once HD grows enough, or for a number of other reasons that just happen to benefit the HD systems.

Plus you don't really get Honda owners bashing more expensive cars, but there's not much wanting for Nintendo fanboys here. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs