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sc94597 on 28 May 2008
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
Well truth be told nintendo fans can wish for this all they want, and i do believe the wii will see a KH game, but it wont be KH3, just wait and see...
Of course, because the great amount of facts opinions that you just pointed out to us.

 


 

But isn't all this based on Opinions?, You want it on the Wii, i wan't it on one Or both of the HD consoles,

and "Imo" like i have said so many times it is more likely to go to the PS360,

and it is a Fact that Both the PS3 and the 360 have more software sales and consoles sold combined then the Wii.

So far the only grounds you are using are "The Wii has more consoles sold in japan".

SquareEnix themselfs have pretty much said Japan is not their main market anymore, and that they will have to look to other markets to stay profitable.

Yeah, but I use facts to back up my opinion, while you just use more opinions and fallacies to back up your opinion. Square Enix wants to expand out side of japan, not desert it. This is by making new ips not using their old ones. @bolded Wrong wii actually has more software sales sold than both the ps360 combined. We don't know if the wii won't have more consoles sold than both of them by the time kh3 even starts developement( after ffxiiivs which is still not done,and doesn't have a release date). It's not only the userbase that matters, it's the demograph such game is targetting. The wii has this demographic, and the ps3 somewhat does, but I have no doubt few people who own a 360 would be interested in this game.

 



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sc94597 on 28 May 2008
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
Well truth be told nintendo fans can wish for this all they want, and i do believe the wii will see a KH game, but it wont be KH3, just wait and see...
Of course, because the great amount of facts opinions that you just pointed out to us.

 


 

But isn't all this based on Opinions?, You want it on the Wii, i wan't it on one Or both of the HD consoles,

and "Imo" like i have said so many times it is more likely to go to the PS360,

and it is a Fact that Both the PS3 and the 360 have more software sales and consoles sold combined then the Wii.

So far the only grounds you are using are "The Wii has more consoles sold in japan".

SquareEnix themselfs have pretty much said Japan is not their main market anymore, and that they will have to look to other markets to stay profitable.

Yeah, but I use facts to back up my opinion, while you just use more opinions and fallacies to back up your opinion. Square Enix wants to expand out side of japan, not desert it. This is by making new ips not using their old ones. @bolded Wrong wii actually has more software sales sold than both the ps360 combined. We don't know if the wii won't have more consoles sold than both of them by the time kh3 even starts developement( after ffxiiivs which is still not done,and doesn't have a release date). It's not only the userbase that matters, it's the demograph such game is targetting. The wii has this demographic, and the ps3 somewhat does, but I have no doubt few people who own a 360 would be interested in this game.

 


 Exactly what "Facts" have you giving to show this game is destined for the Wii that holds more ground then the facts i have giving??.

And how is that bolded wrong??, care to show how the Wii has more software sold then the PS3 and 360 combined??.

**Edit**

Just to add, Naruto Rise of a ninja has sold Over 360.000 copies alone in NA on 360 (Naruto is not even as big as some of the disney characters)

Lost Odysee has sold something near 700.000 copies (That's for a New IP and an RPG) 

So care to explain to me how the is no market for games like that on the 360?..

Here is my proof.

 http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=27380

 

I find it very hard to believe that the 360 fans who play halo 3 and say things like this" I'm going to pwn your a$$ noob" will play a game with disney characters. Yeah some people will buy it , but the majority would dismiss it.  Oh and compared to the 3 million and 5 million kh1 and 2 sold those are very small sales. 



FilaBrasileiro on 29 May 2008
Soriku said:
I used to trust SG but I don't trust her anymore. But she said she wasn't posted any new news (busted perhaps?) so I don't care for her anymore.

RE4 is a remake of the GC/PS2 title. And who cares if it's not their top franchise? It is still one of their major franchises.

I expect Suikoden VI on the Wii because:

1. Majority of sales come from Japan. Guess which console is winning over there? Japan sales are the reason MH3 and Fatal Frame IV is on the Wii.
2. Not a graphic heavy title.
3. Heavy rumors (though I don't think this is a very good reason, but whatever).
4. It's niche. Niche games would do worse on any other console besides the Wii.


 So it was you spreading FUD as facts based on some assumptions made by someone on their blog, sorry but that means your credibility goes down. To answer your question, surfergirl has been wrong plenty of times, (s)he's been busted plenty of time and I guess that's why (s)he stopped posting stuff, everybody was already onto her(his?) game.

Also I don't think it mattes if RE4 is a remake, it is Capcom's biggest franchise and I believe it would've helped your point even more, especially considering the heatlhy sales it got.

As for your reasons for Suikoden:

1. MH3, yes, FFIV no, the reason FFIV is going Wii exclusive is because Nintendo is publishing the title.

2. True, but neither is DQIX, Disgaea, Valkyria Chronicles, Tales of Vesperia, etc....and none of those are going to the Wii as of now. This is not a good enough reason.

3. Source for these heavy rumors? I haven't heard anything about Suikoden personally

4. Titles that are more niche have had good sales on PS3 in Japan (Disgaea, Valkyria) have sold pretty well on the PS3. Sakes have been comparable to past generation titles, and plus Fire Emblem has not exactly set world records on the Wii in Japan, I don't think this is a good assumption either.

 

Can Suikoden VI end up on the Wii? Yes, but your reasonings do not make sense. 



w3stfa11 on 29 May 2008

It's going to the PS3. I think Wii fans are kidding themselves if they think S-E will make it for the Wii. KH will come out in late 2009, I imagine, right when the PS3 install base is nearly fully developed.

But then again, anything's possible. The Wii got DQ. Soon, I hope to start hearing people say S-E will switch FFXIII from PS3 to Wii.



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sc94597 on 29 May 2008
w3stfa11 said:
It's going to the PS3. I think Wii fans are kidding themselves if they think S-E will make it for the Wii. KH will come out in late 2009, I imagine, right when the PS3 install base is nearly fully developed.

But then again, anything's possible. The Wii got DQ.

 It's not SE's choice. It's disney's. While SE could persuade them, disney will go where the money is. Even SE would probably go where the money is. Didn't SE give the ps3 enough exclusives anyway.( Star Ocean,FFXIII,FXIIIVerusus) And they also have last renmant?Right? SE mentioned it's main developement platforms as DS, Wii, and PS3. If kh3 also goes to the ps3 then what does the wii get? Dragon Quest is going to ds. 



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Lord_Yggdrassil on 29 May 2008
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
Well truth be told nintendo fans can wish for this all they want, and i do believe the wii will see a KH game, but it wont be KH3, just wait and see...
Of course, because the great amount of facts opinions that you just pointed out to us.

 


 The fact that a Wii game would look like the PS2 game but with gimicky controls. And with the amount of button mashing in a KH game..my god you would have spazms trying to play it on wii. Might as well keep the button mashing and make it look technically superior. 



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Viper1 on 29 May 2008
Lord_Yggdrassil said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
Well truth be told nintendo fans can wish for this all they want, and i do believe the wii will see a KH game, but it wont be KH3, just wait and see...
Of course, because the great amount of facts opinions that you just pointed out to us.

 


 The fact that a Wii game would look like the PS2 game but with gimicky controls. And with the amount of button mashing in a KH game..my god you would have spazms trying to play it on wii. Might as well keep the button mashing and make it look technically superior. 

Epic failure on all accounts, sir.

 

I'd post why but it's rather obvious you have no interest in facts, logic and reason lest your post would have never been written.

 



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Rock_on_2008 on 29 May 2008

There will not be a KH3.



sc94597 on 29 May 2008
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
sc94597 said:
zero129 said:
Well truth be told nintendo fans can wish for this all they want, and i do believe the wii will see a KH game, but it wont be KH3, just wait and see...
Of course, because the great amount of facts opinions that you just pointed out to us.

 


 

But isn't all this based on Opinions?, You want it on the Wii, i wan't it on one Or both of the HD consoles,

and "Imo" like i have said so many times it is more likely to go to the PS360,

and it is a Fact that Both the PS3 and the 360 have more software sales and consoles sold combined then the Wii.

So far the only grounds you are using are "The Wii has more consoles sold in japan".

SquareEnix themselfs have pretty much said Japan is not their main market anymore, and that they will have to look to other markets to stay profitable.

Yeah, but I use facts to back up my opinion, while you just use more opinions and fallacies to back up your opinion. Square Enix wants to expand out side of japan, not desert it. This is by making new ips not using their old ones. @bolded Wrong wii actually has more software sales sold than both the ps360 combined. We don't know if the wii won't have more consoles sold than both of them by the time kh3 even starts developement( after ffxiiivs which is still not done,and doesn't have a release date). It's not only the userbase that matters, it's the demograph such game is targetting. The wii has this demographic, and the ps3 somewhat does, but I have no doubt few people who own a 360 would be interested in this game.

 


 Exactly what "Facts" have you giving to show this game is destined for the Wii that holds more ground then the facts i have giving??.

And how is that bolded wrong??, care to show how the Wii has more software sold then the PS3 and 360 combined??.

**Edit**

Just to add, Naruto Rise of a ninja has sold Over 360.000 copies alone in NA on 360 (Naruto is not even as big as some of the disney characters)

Lost Odysee has sold something near 700.000 copies (That's for a New IP and an RPG) 

So care to explain to me how the is no market for games like that on the 360?..

Here is my proof.

 http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=27380

 

I find it very hard to believe that the 360 fans who play halo 3 and say things like this" I'm going to pwn your a$$ noob" will play a game with disney characters. Yeah some people will buy it , but the majority would dismiss it.  Oh and compared to the 3 million and 5 million kh1 and 2 sold those are very small sales. 


 the Wii has 500 Million Software sales for the "First" 18 Months in "NA" that's good.

The PS3 and 360 Have 480 Million between the 2 of them for the "First" 18 months in "NA"

So all that data is for the "first" 18 months in "NA", NA is not World Wide software sales..

And I beleive the same is true for the worldwide sales. SHow me worldwide sales that prove that you are right then. 

And how many 3rd party games that have not been some kind of party game etc sold over a million copies on Wii?, on PS360 the has been alot of Million seller 3rd party games.

 And how many big franchises with a large budget were released by 3rd parties on the wii?

Yes that is small sales for lost odysee compered to an established brand with very well knowing characters

that has had 3-5 years to sell that many on a console that had an install bass of over 90 million..

I don't know why you're trying to still use the "Halo" thing lets face it, the is more 360's out there then the is copies of Halo sold so not everyone got a 360 for Halo..

I'm trying to show that the demographic is very very "macho". They think of anything cartoony as "gay","kiddy" or"boring" etc. Now that might not be all of its demograph, but a big part. 

And Lost odysee shows that the is a market for good RPG's on the 360,

Lost oddysey looks far more suiting to the 360s demographic than kh3. 

and FF13, Vs13, ToV, IU, WKS etc will only help the RPG brand become even more stronger on both the PS3 and the 360, and will bring even more RPG fans to them consoles before KH3 is even released,

How bout you seperate them, because not everybody will have both consoles. Also you have to realize that while the 360 and ps3 will get some rpgs, most japanese will release JRPGS which are very niche to japan on the wii. This sets for a more rpg base on the wii. 

So both of them consoles will already have a very strong established RPG base of fans before KH3 comes out.

And so does the wii. A game that is crap compared to lost oddysey( drgon quest:swords) and a spinoff sold almost as much as lost oddysey. It also sold more in japan then any ps360 game. 

But lets just put all that aside and imagine that the Wii will still get KH3,

and that any developer that doesn't make games for the Wii is somehow going to Die out...

Square Enix already stated they are supporting  WII DS,  and PS3 as their main consoles. And it could very well mean death for a company that is  as japanese based as square enix. Luckily square enix is also somewhat strong in the other regions, but not as much as they are in japan.


 



FilaBrasileiro on 29 May 2008
Soriku said:
FilaBrasileiro said:
Soriku said:
I used to trust SG but I don't trust her anymore. But she said she wasn't posted any new news (busted perhaps?) so I don't care for her anymore.

RE4 is a remake of the GC/PS2 title. And who cares if it's not their top franchise? It is still one of their major franchises.

I expect Suikoden VI on the Wii because:

1. Majority of sales come from Japan. Guess which console is winning over there? Japan sales are the reason MH3 and Fatal Frame IV is on the Wii.
2. Not a graphic heavy title.
3. Heavy rumors (though I don't think this is a very good reason, but whatever).
4. It's niche. Niche games would do worse on any other console besides the Wii.


So it was you spreading FUD as facts based on some assumptions made by someone on their blog, sorry but that means your credibility goes down. To answer your question, surfergirl has been wrong plenty of times, (s)he's been busted plenty of time and I guess that's why (s)he stopped posting stuff, everybody was already onto her(his?) game.

Also I don't think it mattes if RE4 is a remake, it is Capcom's biggest franchise and I believe it would've helped your point even more, especially considering the heatlhy sales it got.

As for your reasons for Suikoden:

1. MH3, yes, FFIV no, the reason FFIV is going Wii exclusive is because Nintendo is publishing the title.

2. True, but neither is DQIX, Disgaea, Valkyria Chronicles, Tales of Vesperia, etc....and none of those are going to the Wii as of now. This is not a good enough reason.

3. Source for these heavy rumors? I haven't heard anything about Suikoden personally

4. Titles that are more niche have had good sales on PS3 in Japan (Disgaea, Valkyria) have sold pretty well on the PS3. Sakes have been comparable to past generation titles, and plus Fire Emblem has not exactly set world records on the Wii in Japan, I don't think this is a good assumption either.

 

Can Suikoden VI end up on the Wii? Yes, but your reasonings do not make sense.


How does my credibility go down? I told you I STOPPED BELIEVING HERE A LONG TIME AGO!

Doesn't change the fact that you were spreading FUD based on her (his) blog. 



1. Uh...Nintendo may have decided to publish it after Tecmo decided it was to be for the Wii. Since Fatal Frame games sell mostly in Japan anyway, I'm guessing Nintendo showed Tecmo Japan Wii sales then they said "Well, all right." then Nintendo decided to publish it.

Sure, or just as easily Nintendo could've went to Tecmo and said, you build FFIV and we worry about publishing and marketing, shit we'll even help out with development costs as long as you make it exclusive. See, I can make assumptions too. 



2. DQ IX is going to the DS because it has tons of Japan sales. The Wii was very early in its lifetime when DQ IX was released. Valkyria Chronicles may have started a long time ago. To's also dev's decision. Not every game is ooing to the Wii, but most Japanese games will. Tales of Vesperia...how do you know that MS just didn't get Namco and incentive? Eternal Sonata didn't sell well so I doubt Namco would have put ToV on the 360 by themselves without some MS involvment.

Sure, MS likely paid off Namco, DQIX likely has been in development for longer than the Wii has been out, but it has been delayed numerous times (enough times to make the transition to Wii a possibility) and of course Valkyria Chronicles has been in development way too long even though the PS3 and Wii came out about the same time, and let's also ignore the fact that Valkyria (a new IP) has sold 120k in Japan and FE (an established and succesful IP) has sold 170k in Japan despite the Wii having 3 times the PS3's userbase. I guess what you're saying is when it's something that's not going to the Wii, it's because either someone paid off the developer or the development started before the Wii was the market leader in Japan, whereas when it's something going to the Wii it's because the developer is just being nice to Nintendo. LOL that's a cute little imagination. 



3. Search.

Don't want to, you made the claim, you provide the links (and hopefully from credible sites) 



4. Disgaea only did like 40k in Japan like the firswt week. Valkyria is only at like what...120k? I'm fairly sure those aren't 'good' sales. And Fire Emblem has at least sold like 170k on the Wii. Didn't set records, yes, but sold better than other PS3 games.

Valkyria first 5 weeks in Japan = 121790, FE first 5 weeks in Japan = 122930 

Disgaea 2 LTD sales in Japan = 150k, Disgaea Portable LTD sales in Japan = 40k, Disgaea 3 LTD sales in Japan = 100k

I'll go out on a limb and say both titles did at least as well as expected. 

Actually, my reasonings make a lot of sense. There is no real good reason for Konami to put Suikoden VI on the PS3 when it makes more sense on the Wii.

Konami could very well put Suikoden VI on the Wii, but your reasonings are very poor, to say the least. 

 


 I actually have never played Suikoden, so I couldn't care less where it goes, but the only reasoning that can possibly good is your 3rd one and I'm still waiting on the links for that.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind if Suikoden VI went to the Wii at all and I'd love it if KH3 went to the Wii as long as the PS3 got Xenogears 2 or PE or Vagrant Story or something like that.