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I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.



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Sony isn't gonna make it to #1 this gen, onlt people like the now perma-banned leo-J thought i would, however with the RRoD and upcoming games like MGS2 and FF XIII i can see it finishing second, putting sony in a position to come out with a cell 2 for the ps4 in a system debuting at about $400.



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Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

 They've already successfully relied on the "casual market" for almost 4 years now with the DS. What makes you think that that situation will change in the foreseeable future?



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

This will only happen if Nintendo releases a new system in 5 years or so - in which case - yes the PS3 would eventually outsell it in 10. Having said that it'd be humbled by the sales of the Wii2 (and likely 720) at the same time.

Currently all 3 (Sony/MS/Nintendo) have all stated they don't want a new console after 5 years. So it's possible this generation will last longer and that gives Sony a remote chance to overtake the Wii - should it suddenly lose popularity and should Sony suddenly gain mainstream appeal - over 10 years.

However, I'm still predicting if that's the case another competitor will toss their hat in the ring by 09 and screw Sony & MS in the process (Nintendo could launch a new console now and still maintain profitability).



 

HappySqurriel said:

In my opinion, the PS3 is/will be in an awkward position ...

In 2011 the performance of hardware which will be able to be sold for $300 will be much greater than the PS3, and will be able to have all of the features included in the PS3 (and then some); all companies will be able to look at the limitations of the Wiimote, and will be able to come up with a user interface which combines the strenghts of the Wiimote with the strengths of conventional controllers; and first, second and third party developers will be able to look at what did and did not work on the Wii and produce games which are truely immersive.

In other words, in practically every way the PS3 will seem outdated to whatever Nintendo/Microsoft decide to release in 2011/2012.


 The Wii was out dated at the  begining of this gen , it was Nintendo's innovation combined with alot of strategic genius which enabled them to capture 1st Place , I can't see why Sony could have a 10 yr PS3 if they did the same.

Graphics have reached a certain level where the need to surpass and improve is decreasing , we're already using the in game engine for cut scenes in alot of the 360/PS3 games unlike last gen. 



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The casual market seems to be doing wonders for PS2 sales. Look at the games that are still selling for the PS2, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, SingStar, DDR, Buzz and sports games. It sure seems like casual users are extending the life of the PS2, not the hardcore users that care about graphics.

I'd bet it's the hardcore users that have moved on to newer systems, where the casual market are happy to stay with the PS2.



Garcian Smith said:
Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

They've already successfully relied on the "casual market" for almost 4 years now with the DS. What makes you think that that situation will change in the foreseeable future?


 

Firstly using the DS as proof of the Wii's ability to stand the test of time is understandable but at the same time not valid , they are in completley different situations , the DS has something to offer which it's only competitor (the PSP) can't offer .

The Wii only apears to be able to offer the things Nintendo boast it can do , Motion Sensing etc. I think the Wii is more at threat than the DS is because of the strength of the competition they are facing , Sony & M&S are reducing their price points , making their consoles more suitable to the casual market through software and the implementation of new hardware (X-Mote etc).

It would be interesting to see how well the Wii would fare against a similarly priced PS3/XBOX360 with strong casual support , I don't think it would do half as well as it is now but then that could be 4-5 years away.

 To be honest  I don't know the future of the Wii , if the present is anything to go by then the Wii will do great but because of the nature of their core demographics , I don't think Nintendo should expect Casual support for the next 5-7 years without alot of effort on their part . It seems to me that Nintendo have played all their major cards ( Wii-Fit , SSBB , SMG etc ) it will be interesting to see what they'll do with the rest of the gen.

 

 



Imperial said:
I don't think the PS3's possibility of achieving first place lies more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.

The Wii has to maintain a certain level of consistency , i'm not sure if Nintendo can rely on the casual market for another 5-7 years.

Welcome to the community.

 

Are you familiar with Nintendo's disruption strategy?  Think of the gaming market like a pool with a shallow end and a deep end.  MS and Sony dove head first into the deep end but not everyone jumped in with them.   Nintendo waded into the shallow end and had a lot of people follow (from casuals to hardcore). 

The plan is to work their way up the complexity level (moving into deeper waters) via 3rd parties which at E3 you'll see the beginning of this happening. 

In a couple of years time, the complexity spectrum on Wii will be from one end of the pool to the other so they won't be concentrating on just one target market.

 

As for Kaz, sounds like he inhereited more than just a title from KK.

 



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ssj12 said:
Francis said:
(Sorry to all mods about the triple-post... I kept getting error messages)

The avatar's from the front cover of a Philip K. Dick book. Not a political statatement or anything. It's called The Man In The High Castle...

Back on topic, if you follow the link and watch the interview... I think it seems as though we'll be seeing hardware earlier than 8 years from now. He's a little optimistic to think people will still give a rat's backside about PS3 in 2016...

 post what I bolded in your sig. To edit your sig its under edit profile. Reason being is so no one gets the wrong idea on your avatar.

 

Also see my first post in this topic for my answer.


I missed the avatar but the book is certainly a classic and controversal. It is a good read and one of the fathers of alternative history. For me it lacks the interesting  insights of Phillip K Dick(though it is most certainly present) but it was also his best written novel. In a way the best and worst.

Which cover was it the Japanese and Nazi flag one or the weird revisionist deconstructed castle one or the American nazi flag one?

 

Phillip K Dick was not hte best writer but he had some great concepts which makes htem easy for movie translation like Blade Runner, A Scanner Darkly, Total Recall, Minority Report, Screamers, and Barjo. Though Next and paycheck failed miserably(how anyone can fail at adapting The Golden Man is beyond me)



 Sony's PS3 "10-year plan" was formulated before Nintendo upended the gaming industry tea table and changed the rules of engagement. The fact that they're sticking to it now does not bode well for their ability to adapt when their position in the market has been rendered irrelevant. You do not stay alive in the video game industry by sticking to a "10-year plan" which revolves entirely around one console. Doing so tends to result in serious problems. See: Atari's 2600 plan, Nintendo's NES plan. The former marked the beginning of the end of Atari as a console developer, and the latter almost did in the long run for Nintendo (and quite likely would have if they hadn't made the Game Boy line).



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