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no -devs of the bigger franchinses won't all flock to make Wii fit-like games - so u'll still be satisfied



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I really have to wonder what people this is the actual percentage of "WiiFitties" among Wii owners.



FishyJoe said:
There is no comparison to Atari, I'm not sure why people keep bringing up that analogy. Atari was sold to larger corporate entities that had totally screwed up the the original company. Maybe you should study why Atari failed instead of rewriting history.

People bring it because of this gamasutra article : 

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18483

 Japan is the first market that has massively being overtaken by casual gaming and you can't really say that the size of the gaming industry has increased there over the last 2 years so it was done at the expense of core gaming...

The key sentence in the article is the fact that 'there are way too many new DS titles at once' which is what is worrying Japanese developers.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Well, software is still selling pretty darn well in Japan so what exactly are they worrying about?



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Ail said:

I think the Wii is doing wonderfull and Wii Fit is going to be a great success and help increase the gaming market nicely.

Sadly as a gamer I don't see that as something that will really benefit me in the future because I see a significant percentage of those new people coming through gaming via the Wii don't really share my gaming tastes.

Maybe I am wrong but if Wii Fit is that successfull I believe quite a few developers will be tempted to work more on Wii Fit clones than on the kind of games I enjoy as a gamer ( AC, Uncharted, GTA4,...).

I believe the situation will improve in a few years when the Wii game market gets saturated but in the meanwhile the Wii success is not pushing developers to start mega productions that could end up being tomorrow's franchise...

 


No, I think this is a reasonable response.

If I could chide you at all, it would be that you're being selfish, but that's normal and not really a big deal with games, which are just entertainment. I think someone could say that it's a good thing that the industry you care about is growing and evolving, and if you are a fan of games in general and not just the games you happen to personally like, that's good.

But again, honestly, that's just a minor complaint in this case. It's just games. It's absolutely fine if you don't care about what other people like.



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twesterm said:
Ail said:

I think the Wii is doing wonderfull and Wii Fit is going to be a great success and help increase the gaming market nicely.

Sadly as a gamer I don't see that as something that will really benefit me in the future because I see a significant percentage of those new people coming through gaming via the Wii don't really share my gaming tastes.

Maybe I am wrong but if Wii Fit is that successfull I believe quite a few developers will be tempted to work more on Wii Fit clones than on the kind of games I enjoy as a gamer ( AC, Uncharted, GTA4,...).

I believe the situation will improve in a few years when the Wii game market gets saturated but in the meanwhile the Wii success is not pushing developers to start mega productions that could end up being tomorrow's franchise...

 


 So then you expect every game to be tailored to you and screw everyone else that may actually like those kind of games?


Let me just play devil's advocate here, because I think it's actually a reasonable position.

Yes, I don't care about those other people. I'd rather all games were tailored made for me. If we were talking about food or water or some other necessary service, I'd totally understand that being selfish wouldn't be appropriate, but these are just games. Isn't okay for someone to be selfish in this case?

I don't entirely agree with the argument I just made, but I don't entirely disagree with it, either.



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Ail said:
FishyJoe said:
There is no comparison to Atari, I'm not sure why people keep bringing up that analogy. Atari was sold to larger corporate entities that had totally screwed up the the original company. Maybe you should study why Atari failed instead of rewriting history.

People bring it because of this gamasutra article : 

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18483

 Japan is the first market that has massively being overtaken by casual gaming and you can't really say that the size of the gaming industry has increased there over the last 2 years so it was done at the expense of core gaming...

The key sentence in the article is the fact that 'there are way too many new DS titles at once' which is what is worrying Japanese developers.


There's a gigantic difference between Atari then and Nintendo now, though.

Atari was positively hemmoraghing cash when the market crashed. They blew all their money in a flurry of stupid ways and it all came down so hard it was nearly unbelievable.

Nintendo is making more money than any other company in the history of gaming, and the other manufacturers -- Sony and Microsoft -- are the ones who are bleeding money out their ears. If anyone is going to cause a crash, it will be Sony and Microsoft, without question.

 

 

 

Let me repeat this, for emphasis, because it puts an end to all discussion on the topic: Atari bled a ridiculous amount of money and nearly went bankrupt. Nintendo is making more money than any company in the history of gaming.

The end.



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Ail said:
FishyJoe said:
There is no comparison to Atari, I'm not sure why people keep bringing up that analogy. Atari was sold to larger corporate entities that had totally screwed up the the original company. Maybe you should study why Atari failed instead of rewriting history.

People bring it because of this gamasutra article :

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18483

Japan is the first market that has massively being overtaken by casual gaming and you can't really say that the size of the gaming industry has increased there over the last 2 years so it was done at the expense of core gaming...

The key sentence in the article is the fact that 'there are way too many new DS titles at once' which is what is worrying Japanese developers.


Instead of repeating information second hand, why not take time and research the subject correctly?

And the second Nintendo starts implementing stricter quality control, you'll have people whining about how Nintendo is trying to squash third party competition. So it's no win.  



Bodhesatva said:
Ail said:
FishyJoe said:
There is no comparison to Atari, I'm not sure why people keep bringing up that analogy. Atari was sold to larger corporate entities that had totally screwed up the the original company. Maybe you should study why Atari failed instead of rewriting history.

People bring it because of this gamasutra article :

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18483

Japan is the first market that has massively being overtaken by casual gaming and you can't really say that the size of the gaming industry has increased there over the last 2 years so it was done at the expense of core gaming...

The key sentence in the article is the fact that 'there are way too many new DS titles at once' which is what is worrying Japanese developers.


There's a gigantic difference between Atari then and Nintendo now, though.

Atari was positively hemmoraghing cash when the market crashed. They blew all their money in a flurry of stupid ways and it all came down so hard it was nearly unbelievable.

Nintendo is making more money than any other company in the history of gaming, and the other manufacturers -- Sony and Microsoft -- are the ones who are bleeding money out their ears. If anyone is going to cause a crash, it will be Sony and Microsoft, without question.

 

 

 

Let me repeat this, for emphasis, because it puts an end to all discussion on the topic: Atari bled a ridiculous amount of money and nearly went bankrupt. Nintendo is making more money than any company in the history of gaming.

The end.


Not only that, all their best programmers left because they refused to pay them, leaving them with no way to create any quality games. They thought they could just hire nobodies to create games and they could make lots of money.

 



Ail, I appreciate that your posts on this subject were politely worded and reasonably stated. At the same time, the subject matter is another version of the "Wii is destroying gaming!" rhetoric that we've been hearing for well over a year now. With no disrespect intended to you, this argument has long since gotten stale. The gaming industry is experiencing phenomenal growth right now, and clearly much of that is being driven by the Wii. And for all the fears that developers will stop making big-budget games on the 360 and PS3, we certainly haven't seen that happen so far.

To go back to the point that Phendrana brought up, I think the prevalence of Wii "shovelware" articles of late is a sign that the Wii skeptics movement is in its third phase now. To recap:

- First response was the "Wii is a fad!" argument, quite popular throughout 2007. This is the whole "Wii hardware sells now, but it will stop at ___ date" mantra. Largely discredited by now, only a few diehards still repeating this.

- Second response was the "Wii sells hardware, but it doesn't move software" argument. Popular in late 2007 and the early months of 2008. Increasingly difficult to justify as every chart-tracking service continues to show the dominance of Wii software sales.

- Third response seems to be "Wii sells hardware and software, but it's all garbage/shovelware." I read this as a way of coming to terms with the ongoing presence of the Wii in the market. Obviously this is conjecture, but it's worth thinking about.



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End of 2008 totals: Wii 42m, 360 24m, PS3 18.5m (made Jan. 4, 2008)