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Mummelmann on 05 May 2008

@Diomedes; where the hell have you been?!



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amcdc79 on 05 May 2008
BenKenobi88 said:
Fonzerelli said:
Valve have tried their hand at consoles. Half Life was gone on the Dreamcast, before it was cancelled and the project was shifted to the PS2 with an exclusive sidestory called Half Life : Decay starring 2 female assistants of Dr. Foreman with splitscreen co-op gameplay featuring primarily.
The PS2 version of Half Life eventually hit about 1.25-1.5 million WW, not a great hit. The PS2 version had higher polygon count and improved graphics compared to the PC version.

I don't know who did Half Life on Dreamcast, but Gearbox (the guys who made the add-on Half Life: Opposing Forces) did Half Life on the PS2. It was a very good port and had multiplayer options...though higher polygon count and improved graphics over the PC version? I'm not so sure about that one...

And EA published Half Life 2 on the original Xbox, as well as the Orange Box for 360 and PS3 of course.


 Gearbox also did the Dreamcast version,with double the number of polys that Valve used in the original,and the AI was also upgraded. Support for the Keyboard and mouse was also incorperated.

There was no multi-player,but Sierra had promised one to be later released with Opposing Force,Team Fortress 1.5, multi-player and possibly even Counter-Strike.  



Dreamcast-18 years later "It's Still Thinking"

Loud_Hot_White_Box on 05 May 2008
NJ5 said:

This proves that Microsoft gained something by making it easy to port games between the PC and the 360. Valve would probably not care about the 360 if it wasn't the case.

Sony already used non-conventional architectures twice (PS2 and PS3). The first time it worked well, not because developers liked it but because the PS2 dominated so much that there was no choice but learn the ugliness of the Emotion Engine. This time, many developers clearly don't feel as forced to learn Sony's new novelty, since the PS3 isn't nearly as successful as the PS2 was.

I think the PS4 will use a more conventional architecture.

PS: Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the Cell in itself. It's a great choice for many programming tasks, just not the best for games (at least in its current form, with only one PPE instead of 2 or 3 as Sony had originally planned).

 


PS4 wll use an architecture that devs will find easier to develop for than the PS3's was, out of the gate.  That architecture will be Cell, say with 8-16 PPEs and 32-64 SPEs at 6ghz.  Devs will be able to develop on it and get great stuff out of it quickly because they learned it, once, with PS3.  Unless they *didn't* try to learn to program for Cell with PS3.  Then, not so much.
 
As games are increasingly showing, the fact that Cell is *more* of a beast at video streaming and folding than it is at gaming does not mean that it isn't a beast at gaming.   It just has to be learned - once - by devs.
 
 


Final-Fan on 06 May 2008

"Devs will be able to develop on it and get great stuff out of it quickly because they learned it, once, with PS3. Unless they *didn't* try to learn to program for Cell with PS3. Then, not so much."

So, kinda like the Wii in that respect.

But to be more on point, I don't think the Cell is as bad as the Emotion Engine because, while it's very different from traditional PC CPU architecture, it's not just some bizarro custom thing that only the PS3 will ever have. It's a true alternative that's being created.

But there will definitely be more PPEs ... but not 16, I think.



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Rock_on_2008 on 06 May 2008

It is considerably cheaper for Valve to solely develop games for PC only. Developing games for PS3 and 360 costs a lot more than PC game development.



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Words Of Wisdom on 06 May 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
It is considerably cheaper for Valve to solely develop games for PC only. Developing games for PS3 and 360 costs a lot more than PC game development.

Obvious statement is obvious.



Zucas on 06 May 2008

Well PS3 fans welcome to the world of Wii fans with devs giving you shit.



Random Person B on 06 May 2008

The only reason you normally get riled up over something like this, is because people want to play the amazing games Valve has to offer. Buts it not on a PS3.

That being said, sell that low powered PS3 and get a PC. Play all the valve games you want.



fazz on 06 May 2008
Diomedes1976 said:

For not being PS3 developers and actually doesn't having a clue at how the machine works they have had their fair share of trolling against it isn't it?

Specially that obese guy....


You didn't bother on reading a single post in this thread, right? And what's up with all this bashing on Newell's weight? He's not a goddamn fashion model, he's a GAME DEVELOPER, he can't be bashed for that. I don't see anyone praising Miyamoto for his figure.

Seriously guys, it's the same as with... let's say, Epic not developing for the Wii. They don't want to, they don't see any business on it. They are on their right to put their games on the platform they want. Valve already has enough revenue from Steam.

Random Person B said:

That being said, sell that low powered PS3 and get a PC. Play all the valve games you want.



Now, that sounds familiar

Kasz216 on 06 May 2008
naznatips said:

Technically there is a chance Valve could make a kid's game on Wii from a recent interview, but there will never be a time when Valve cares about anything more than PC.

You have to understand that the money they made on the (rather mediocre) sales of The Orange Box on 360 and PS3 is nothing compared to what they make selling their games on Steam and selling advertising space for Steam. The PC is their bread and butter in every way.

Yeah, it reminds me when Epic was saying it doesn't make sense for them to make Wii games.  At least the valve guy said it polietly instead of bashing a system to justify their move.