I completely agree. But if Portal had wii mote controls it would be revolutionary as it is revolutionary without the wii mote as well. You don't need a controller to make a game revolutionary.

MP3 is the second longest playing game for the wii so they did a good job on it...but seriously, the game has not evolved much since 2002 when it was revolutionary. Prime series has evolved even less than Halo in my opinion as Halo really stepped up with part 2 campaign wise...and stepped up multiplayer wise with part 3. Nevertheless I still like MP3 very much...

We are all allowed to have an opinion.

BTW: My last ban was a joke. I did nothing wrong. That moderator has it in for me. Damn they all do. Shit they see every post on here. 

EDIT: At Rock, that wasn't an opinion I retorted to.  It was a fallacy.  You stated PC mouse is motion control.   That's not opinion, that's you trying depserately to revoke any benefit the Wii brings to gaming by denouncing motion controls as a commonality in gameplay.

Like what? I played Zelda on the gamecube as I got the wii in summer 2007. Mario Gallaxy I hated...Wii sports I play a lot with freinds, MP3 is up there too. Mario Strikers Charged I played the most as its a kick ass online multiplayer game. Resident evil 4 I beat for the 10th time in like 5-6 hours...and Resident evil umbrella chronicles I beat pretty quickly as well.

I rented a lot of games too...Smash Brothers I dislike...Mario Kart is an ok game not really worth the money. Last game I bought for the wii is house fo the dead2/3. Anything else that really stands out as a must play wii game?

Godfather, Scarface, MOH, Super Paper Mario, Okami, NMH, Bully, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and more can all take longer to complete (or have great online) than MP3.

I'm really of the opinion the whole 'next gen' thing is realy overrated and misunderstood.

One, at its simplest it simply means here is another generation (i.e. the latest model) of consoles. Nowhere in that concept (apart from marketing spin) is their an expectation of radically different 'next gen' gameplay nor any clear design to deliver one.

Two, while the Wii has made use of motion contol mainstream and produced some great experiences, this is not new tech nor has it not been done before in some form - it's simply the first time its been made widely available on a relatively low cost home console (which is still an amazing achievement and I'd say the Wii has delivered some great inovation so far and deserves a lot of respect).

Three, the whole PS3/360 next gen graphics/games arguement is nonsense. There is nothing on either (including Live) that hasn't been done already on a PC IMO. The only difference is that a high resolution gaming experience has been brought into the living room at a lower cost than a gaming PC.

Four, since the start of videogames there have been titles that pushed the envelope in some form. Almost always this was down to particular developers and certain circumstances. Take something like Elite for example, or Tetris, or Doom, or System Shock. While obviously certain tech has to be in place to do certain things (i.e. if you want motion sensing you need a controller that supports that) for the most part any radical new gameplay types come from game design, not the underlying technology.

So, in a nutshell - there is not firm 'next gen' - if all games used motion control and were like Wii Sports or SMG I'd be bored senseless pretty quickly, if all games where high res FPS it would be the same story and so on and so forth for every genre you can think of.

Inovation will always be the minority, not the majority. For every great game there will be 3 or 4 good games and 10 plus average to poor games. Its the same with books and films. And every inovative title will then be copied until the well is dry.

The Wiimote and its use, Portal and (hopefully) LBP when it hits, are all truly inovative I would argue (Assassin's Creed came close but missed the mark for failing to truly marrying the engine/capabilities to an deeply engaging game) - I haven't seen anything else I couldn't point to something more than similar.

For example Bioshock really is just a good (but somewhat simplified) game based on inovation pioneered in System Shock, Deus Ex and System Shock 2. Most other big games have numbers in their titles that pretty much mean they offer refinement at best and often just the same game with nicer graphics (not that there's anything wrong with that. R&C on PS3 is a really great, polished game and seeing it in HD does enhance that particular title due to its underlying mechanics).

The PS3's broad media centre use is also I believe inovative (although nothing to do with games obviously), and the 360 also delivers innovation in this regard although the PS3 is better suited to media centre usage.

Innovation is not tied to a particular generation of tech in my opinion, but the creativity of developers and I would hope that every generation of new tech/consoles throws up a nice batch of innovation based on developers using it well.

I hope you're kidding. Seriously, this is one of the most clueless statements I have seen in a while. Comparing the PC Mouse to the Wii-mote is asinine and rediculous. The mouse senses movement in a 2-d space, somewhat similar to an analog thumbstick, that's all it does. The Wii Remote senses movement in a 2-d space (with the IR, similar point & click to the mouse), but it goes much further than that. It senses movement in a 3-d space, angle, g-force, etc, to produce a gaming experience never before available on any platform. This is innovative by every definition of the word. You comparison is not thought out, reasoned in the post, or reflecting reality in any way, and is pure trolling.

Thank you for your opinion. To me there is motion control in PC Mouse. Well thanks for pointing out the difference.

Yes, there is some aspects of motion control in a mouse. The IR function of the Wii remote correlates perfectly with the fucntion of the mouse. My point is, the Wii-Remote does MUCH more, and has the ability to create a very different playing experience compared to either the mouse or the traditional console control scheme.

Directly comparing the mouse to the wii remote is an overly simplistic comparison and ignores the features of the wii remote that actually make it innovative.

I know some features of the Wii-remote have been tried in other niche markets (there are motion sensing games in arcades, for example), but Nintendo bringing this to the mass market when all the other consolse stuck to the same formula of standard controls + increased processing makes them the innovator in their field. You don't have to like them, but the fact that they stand out compared to the other consoles is undeniable. You can dislike the innovative steps they have taken, but IMO, there's really no denying that they have been innovative when compared to the other consoles.

Edit: BTW, I like the other consoles. I really enjoy traditional gameplay, and I appreciate graphics. I plan on either getting a better video card or a PS3 so I can expeirence both the Wii's innovative gameplay, and the kickass graphics offered by the alternatives, I want the best of both worlds.

Yes. It is. It’s all based on what you want to get out of next Gen. GTA4 gives you a very expansive game world, with an incredible breadth of detail. We can run around in a very large map that never needs to load.

Other games with Next Gen game play, would be Gears of War, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted. Those games offer experiences that could not be done in previous consoles.

I am no knocking the Wii, but the Wii is not innovative, the Wii controller is. If you had made the Wii controller for the Game Cube, every Wii game could be played on it. (With possibly some minor visual degradation).

Gears, Uncharted, R&C, and GTA4 could not be done on a PS2 or X-Box, or if you did manage to do so, you would lose a huge amount of the experience.

Different gamers find different things “Next Gen”, and I find what the PS3 and 360 do far more “Next Gen” then what the Wii does.

P.S. To all those that might not know by now, I own all three, so I am not talking from a point of ignorance, just from a point of personal preference.